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How to move to New Zealand as an American

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Rob Roy Glacier in Wanaka

What a sad day guys. I have never been more ashamed to be American than I am today.

Honestly? I’m still in complete shock and don’t have words to describe how upset I am. I really believed America was smart and strong enough to move forward. I was full of optimism and hope.

Instead we just elected a serial liar to the highest possible office who has no political experience and who says women should be punished for getting abortions, makes fun of people with disabilities, says Mexicans are rapists, wants to ban Muslims from America, jail anyone who disagrees with him, regularly incites violence among his followers and said “grab em by the p*ssy” INSTEAD of the first female candidate. The most qualified candidate in history versus a reality TV show star for the leader of the free world.

Good job us. Glad to see those glass ceilings are holding up strong.

But before I run away with my feelings and completely lose my shit, I want to take the opportunity to say a big whopping thank you to the government of New Zealand for granting me a long-term visa and saying that moving to New Zealand is an option so I don’t have to live in a world run by a misogynist, racist, narcissistic undemocratic fool of a human.

I want nothing to do with the America I saw tonight. I’m ashamed of them and bitterly disappointed. I’m so incredibly disheartened that fear, ignorance, and hate won, and that the majority of Americans want to live in a country of walls, bigotry and hate. I do not want to belong to such a place. I’m devastated.

Luckily I have a choice, and I chose New Zealand. Though to be fair, I chose New Zealand years ago, but now I definitely want to make moving to New Zealand permanent.

Sorry, New Zealand. You’re stuck with me. I’ll start accepting applications for kiwi husbands to get me a residency visa STAT. Please form an orderly queue below.

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Doubtful Sound Overnight Cruise

Since I turned 18, I’ve spent seven of those last ten years living abroad; when I wasn’t being an expat, I was traveling quite a bit. I’ve got about 50 countries worth of experience under my belt, and I know where I want to live. Don’t worry, you have a choice too! Even if our country wasn’t doomed, I’d still advocate living abroad at one point or another; it’s good for the soul.

For me, the first time I arrived in New Zealand, it felt like coming home. It still feels like that almost 4 years later. This is where I belong.

And lucky for us, if you have a real strong desire to live abroad and you have some kind of skill, moving to New Zealand isn’t that hard Right now anyways. Hopefully I am not jinxing it, but there are a hell of a lot of foreigners living and working down under, especially in Wanaka and Queenstown.

More thoughts about being an American expat in New Zealand here and here.

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Alpaca farm on Banks Peninsula

First things first, while New Zealand has a wonderful standard of living and often comes across as being a pure Eden, it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be. Dairy farming is destroying the land at an almost laughable rate, the cost of living is insane, diversity isn’t its strong suit, and the current Prime Minister is a first-rate muppet, among many other things.

The average house cost in Queenstown and Wanaka is around one million dollars. THE AVERAGE! And sometimes avocados cost over $5 each. WTF.

But in spite of all that, I definitely prefer living here than back in the US. With a population of only four million people, you feel a strong community vibe here, most people are very friendly and welcoming and the crime rate is a joke compared to America. The healthcare is great and it’s an overall happy relaxed peaceful place. It’s easy to live here, and I love it. I could go on and on.

So in light of this shitshow of a crisis in America, I thought I’d go ahead and share some of the ways you can abandon ship too. If you’ve ever wanted to move to New Zealand, well, now’s your chance.

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Snowboarding at Treble Cone in Wanaka

The emails and messages have already started pouring in from my fellow countrymen about moving to New Zealand so I thought I’d jump the ball and share how you escape too. Here are some of my tips and thoughts about immigrating to New Zealand as an American, which probably works for non-Americans too.

If you are under 30 and interested in moving to New Zealand, I definitely recommend coming here on a working holiday visa. Most youngsters come in that way, and that’s what I did back in 2013. You can apply online, and it’s super easy and straightforward. It’s open to any Americans under the age of 30 who have $4,200 NZD to their name and you can come and travel and work here for up to a year. If you’ve done agricultural work like working on a vineyard or a farm, you can extend your visa for an extra three months. Many of my friends came on working holidays, worked and traveled for a year and ended up with job offers that allowed them to stay longer.

If you want a gap year or a year to explore but also need to work at the same time, this is the visa for you. There is an abundance of hospitality work among other entry level jobs in New Zealand that you can work for in this category. If you don’t want to work, you can come in on a visitor visa for up to nine months. Remember you are NOT allowed to enter New Zealand on a holiday visa and work or look for work – though this is kind of a gray area – more on the immigration page here.

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Camping on the West Coast

New Zealand’s Immigration website has gotten a swanky, easy to navigate update recently which I’m pleased to see. Normally immigration websites give me panic attacks. My experience living in Spain as an expat scarred me for life and instilled a palpable fear of anyone working in immigration within me. But like with many things in New Zealand, it’s pretty easy, and you can answer a lot of your own questions, though I’ve found Immigration always easy to reach by phone or email here too. There are so many visas available, you can dig through a full list here.

Here is their page for work options in New Zealand. The explore visa options tab is pretty awesome and here you can put in your current situation to see what options are available to you.

I’ll start by saying you’re in a really good position to move to New Zealand if your work falls under the Skills Shortage list. Many surprising jobs fall under that, like being a chef, a builder, baker, skydiver, snowboarding instructor, winemaker, farmer, ect. For example, you can find a lot of work rebuilding in Christchurch which was damaged by earthquakes a few years ago. For example a lot of people have immigrated over from Ireland to help with the rebuild there, and they have their own specific list of skilled shortages.

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Canola fields in the Mackenzie Country

For most visas, you’ll need a job or job offer which is a bit of a catch 22 because you probably need to be in New Zealand to get a job offer. You can also hire immigration advisors to help you submit your applications, but make sure never to use Endeavour Immigration in Auckland to help with your visa. They took $1000 off me and then refused to help me with my visa application, which I ended up compiling and submitting on my own. Read more about my experience with them here. Bastards.

Most of my friends are either on partner visas or Skilled Migrant Residency Visas or a work to residency visa. In New Zealand partner is for your significant other, any kind really.

I’m not going to really write about the partner visa because it’s fairly straightforward and totally annoys me, mostly because I wish I could go down this route and cant. Alas, I am determined to sort my visas out all on my own and not rely on a man to help me (though let the record stand I would if I could and kiwi boyfriend applications are now open).

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Kakapo – one of New Zealand’s rarest birds

Most of these like the Skilled Migrant Visa which is for people who “have the skills to contribute to New Zealand’s economic growth.” It works off of a points indicator system which recently just changed along with requiring a higher level of English. After you send an expression of interest, and now you need 160 points to apply. Along the same lines is the Essential Skills Work Visa which is for if you’ve received a job offer and the employer can demonstrate that there are no kiwis that can do that job; it’s aimed for temporary stays.

There there is the Talent (Accredited Employer) Work Visa which is for people who have job offers by businesses in New Zealand that already are approved to hire skilled foreigners. After two years you can apply for residency.

I don’t have personal experience with this but I will say half my friends in Wanaka have been sponsored and they work in cafes so infer from that as you will. There two pages here and here offer a good explanation of the way visas work in New Zealand.

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Alpine hut in Mt. Cook National Park

If you are between the ages of 20 and 35, you can enter a visa ballot to win a Silver Fern Visa which will allow you come to New Zealand and look for a job for up to 9 months. Spots fill up super fast and I think there are only 300 spots per year.

Now, I’m on a quite an obscure visa that is very difficult to get – the Talent (Arts, Culture, Sports) Work Visa. If you can demonstrate that you are exceptionally talented in arts, sports or culture, you can be granted this visa for up to 3o months. This will allow you work in that field and which will eventually allow you to apply for residency. You need an international reputation, and a New Zealand organization of national repute and a sponsor to back you up, and you need to demonstrate that you benefit New Zealand by being here.

In theory, it seems easy. The reality is very, very difficult. It took a long time and a lot of back and forth before mine was approved. I had over five years experience in my field an I am so well-known in New Zealand that I am stopped on the streets on a regular basis. I think only after it was the third or fourth time my case officer saw me on the news that they began to take me seriously.

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Arrowtown in autumn

Phew! How did I do?

I am distinctly aware that I just invited a bunch of my fellow Americans to the party when it is in fact, not my party. But please forgive me, New Zealand – I can’t help sharing how awesome it is to live here with others. And I can promise that the ones that are able to come are the good ones.

Now that America is doomed would you move overseas? Have you ever been an expat? Would you come and live in New Zealand given the chance? Are you an expat in New Zealand? How was your immigration process. 

Disclosure – I am not an immigration advisor OBVIOUSLY, and I only have firsthand experience with my working holiday visa and with my current talent visa. I have done my best to try and explain some of the most common immigration questions above.
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Climbing on Fox Glacier

262 Responses to How to move to New Zealand as an American

  1. Jo November 10, 2016 at 12:52 am #

    I’m so horrified. For so many reasons. I’m glad NZ is your safe haven.

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:51 am #

      Thanks!

      • Darryl November 19, 2016 at 12:55 am #

        Please dont come here, trump is the best thing to happen to your miserable excuse for a country, and ours is going that way too. Last thing we need is your anti conservative sentiment

        • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 11:35 pm #

          you are so right darryl

        • worlds2wander December 30, 2016 at 5:32 am #

          I’m an American who lived in NZ for a year – loved it – so I wanted to read this article. Unfortunately, it was tainted with politics. You guys can keep its writer for all I care; better yet – send her to OZ where there are scorpions and venomous vipers – maybe then she’ll appreciate the life she once had.

      • Duane December 3, 2016 at 10:58 am #

        I just subscribed to your email and I can’t find how to unsubscribe. Please tell me. I signed up before I saw the political post regarding Trump. I was interested in New Zealand and not interested in hearing more about US politics. If you want to know why Trump won, then maybe you should stop looking at him and start looking at Hillary. A lot of people didn’t vote for Trump as much as they could not bring themselves to vote for her and all of the horrible things she did and is still doing. In any case, I didn’t sign up for this and I want out. Please post how to unsubscribe. I can’t find a link anywhere. Much respect to you and your naive political views. You have a right to them and I have a right not to read them. No disrespect intended. I’m not against any of the things you mention. I was just looking for something interesting and fun. Please do not post my name or email address. I don’t want any hate mail sent my way.

  2. Colorado Gal November 10, 2016 at 2:20 am #

    It’s truly heartbreaking and I”m so freaking disappointed. My only silver lining is that it’s actually looking like Hillary won the popular vote so more people chose love over hate….not that it did any freaking good for the electoral college 🙁

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:51 am #

      that makes me happy too!

    • Erin November 10, 2016 at 10:01 am #

      Can we elaborate on how you can win the “popular vote” but not WIN, like how does that work? I’m from Canada.

      • Craig Kimpel November 11, 2016 at 7:40 am #

        Erin, Most people in the US don’t have a clue either. The 12th amendment to the US Constitution sets the rules for election of both the President and the Vice President. It gives each state a number of votes depending on the states population. That is the electoral college. The people in each state are allowed to cast a vote and usually all of that states electoral votes are cast the same as each states popular vote, but they do not have to, cause there is nothing in the constitution that says a common person’s vote counts towards the highest office. To no believe in the US electoral college is to not believe in the US Constitution (rule book). Also by the rule book, a president and vice president are not voted on by one vote. So the electoral college could vote a VP that is not from the same party as the President. But since they run together these days, voting for the President, is also voting for their chosen vice president.

      • Mia November 12, 2016 at 1:47 am #

        Erin,

        It is helpful to remember America is a Republic, not a direct democracy. The USA is a collection of states, not a collection of people (people make up the states, I know, I know, bear with me). As such it would be grossly unfair and unjust to directly weigh the choice and lifestyle of the people of Maine against the choice and lifestyle of California. As such the electoral college gives a more weighted approach and balance to the votes by putting it at the state level.

        Think of it this way, if every country in the world were to participate in electing a world leader, would it be fair that tiny countries like Singapore or any number of countries in Africa/South America get nearly no say in who that world leader is? China and India alone collectively get nearly 40% of the vote in that situation. The entire continent of South America has a population of 422.5 million, compared to China’s, a single country, 1.36 billion. Now if I was running to be that world leader, where am I going to campaign? Where am I going to focus my efforts and what kind of promises am I going to make? Well, the ones that get me elected of course. So India + China choose the world leader every year… Anyone else see a problem with that?

        That is the purpose of the electoral college. I hope that is helpful.

    • Carlos November 10, 2016 at 1:11 pm #

      WRONG……Clinton LOST the overall vote by approximately 900,000 votes.

      • Gabby November 10, 2016 at 11:39 pm #

        Carlos, that’s not true. Why are you saying that? More people voted for Hillary. Donald won because of the stupid system called electoral college.

        • Karen November 11, 2016 at 2:33 am #

          Trump supporters just make up facts and telling them it’s not true is like talking to a wall.

        • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:48 am #

          They both received around 48% of the vote which means half the people in the country wanted a tv reality show billionaire rather than Hillary Clinton. I think that says all it needs to say about what people think of her. Also 50 to 75% of the vote she got was simply people that didn’t like her but hated Trump. Hillary is strongly disliked by the overwhelming majority of the country. If she was even slightly likable she would have won in a landslide and she didn’t. This is also a rejection of liberal values that Obama has been promoting in his second term. America is still conservative and they don’t want trannys showering with their daughters.

      • Gabby November 10, 2016 at 11:42 pm #

        Are you lying or you’re just plain dumb? Read a little.
        More Americans voted for Hillary, Trump only won because of the stupid system called electoral college.

      • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:41 am #

        Is it being reported differently in different places? Because as of now the NYTimes has Clinton at 47.75 and Trump at 47.5% with Clinton leading almost by a million.

        • Kristen Morey November 26, 2016 at 11:31 am #

          It IS sort of being reported differently in different places. We have an infestation of fake news sites reporting fake news, usually conservative in nature. So many Trump supporters and conservatives are reading these fake news sites and accepting as fact that Trump won the popular vote. All legitimate news sources have Clinton as now a 2mill + lead. But they are all lying according to many conservatives – you literally can’t convince them otherwise.

          I fear that if the rest of the world doesn’t learn and learn FAST from the fake news issue we had, that other countries will soon be experiencing the same problems.

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:51 am #

      They both received about 48% of the vote. The margin of victory was very tiny compared to the overall vote which means half the country rejected her even though she was running against a so called monster. Hardly a vote of confidence. Also a poll showed that 18% of the country wants to be more liberal and 28% wants it to stay the same and a whopping 54% wants the country to be more conservative. Republicans were chosen across the board because Americans don’t share your liberal values. Accept it.

  3. Ida November 10, 2016 at 3:06 am #

    I’m so pissed off right now! How the hell could this actually happen?! He’s a horrible, racist man and even though I’m Swedish and living in Sweden I’m still scared of what’s going to happen now. And I’m not the only one – this is what everyone has been talking about at my high school today and everyone is equally pissed off. Because this will not only affect America in unimaginable ways, but also the entire world. GOSH I’M SO MAD HOW COULD PEOPLE VOTE FOR THAT IDIOT

    (So sorry for my language but today feels like a day where it’s justified to be have an inappropriate language)

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:51 am #

      so justified!!!

    • Carlos November 10, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

      How could people vote for that corrupt idiot Hillary?

      • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:50 am #

        Probably because they have a brain and know that she’s not a corrupt idiot.

        • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:44 am #

          Its been proven she and Bill are corrupt so quit giving an uneducated opinion. They have misused funds from their foundation and they are worth 110 million dollars even though Bill has not held a job since leaving office and Hillary worked for 8 years at jobs that would have paid her 100k per year. Bill wrote a few books which would have made him a few million and they give speeches to wealthy bankers that they do their bidding for. Hard to see how they are worth 110 million. They have been corrupt for 25 years so quit speaking like you know something when you are only 20 years old.

        • Rae November 13, 2016 at 8:35 am #

          Thank you, Liz.

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:53 am #

      It happened because the vast majority of Americans don’t share Obamas liberal values and they rejected them by not accepting his successor. they gave the white house and senate and House to republicans because they don’t want trannys showering with their daughters. Period.

      • Athena November 16, 2016 at 4:24 am #

        Your use of the word “tranny” is extremely offensive and I kindly ask that you get off of this page. If you want to say your opinion, do so without using offensive language.

  4. Moving Backward November 10, 2016 at 3:16 am #

    The first thing I did today when I got into my office (after being told by an old white guy that I should be happy about the election — I declined to share a celebratory handshake. Fuck off.) was start research on where a nice American couple might be happy outside of America’s walls…borders? Same thing now, I guess. I digress. I found this blog EXTREMELY helpful. Thank you so much for all of the links to the immigration website. I don’t know if New Zealand will be our new home, but your information makes it a lot easier to get started making the decision.

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:52 am #

      Glad to help 🙂

      • Glen November 15, 2016 at 8:05 pm #

        @ Moving Backward. I find Americans in person, to be extremely friendly and polite. Online though, often they come across as quite racist. This applies to those in the Religion of the Left and those in the Religion of the Right. Like yourself they often seem to want to export their racism. New Zealand will not be for you I think, since there is a lot of white people there. Canada, Australia & Europe will be probably be off your list also.

        • Moving Backward November 17, 2016 at 2:24 am #

          Howdy, Glen.
          I am white as well…not that that is important to my decision making process or any of your business. I don’t see where racism comes through in my comment (which was meant for Liz, as a whole hearted thank you) other than perhaps the mention of the “old white guy.” Sometimes in story telling, you see, you give context to things to help people better understand what was happening in the situation. On the day after the election I was…angry (with Trump supporters), stressed out from months of reading Election 2016 articles and trying to help my country out as much as I could. In the end, it didn’t matter. My country doesn’t want progress. This is upsetting, no?
          Or maybe I’m just sick of men telling me my business.
          Thank you for restricting my life even further by telling me where I would be happy living. I cannot, of course, be trusted to make these decisions on my own because I am just a woman.

          • Glen November 17, 2016 at 10:17 pm #

            Hello Moving Backlward, (trigger warning ahead since I will say something you do not like)
            I am sorry you so fragile and have such an inferiority complex that you believe someone disagreeing with you in a comment section is restricting your life. I am sorry your insecurities are such that if a male disagrees with you that you believe they are being sexist.
            Americans, both Right and Left constantly see skin colour as the defining attribute of a person. And it seems you also see gender as a defining attribute. Myself, I see peoples words and actions as their defining attributes. Whether you are white or not you decided you use skin colour as a negative label. I personally think those who do so (whether the skin colour is white, black, brown, whatever) do have issues. But i guess it is time to retreat back to your safe space and join the American Far Right and the American Regressive Left in exporting your racial issues to the rest of the world.

  5. Kiwi at heart November 10, 2016 at 4:12 am #

    Please know that there are a lot of us here in the US that feel the exact same way about the election. I am so disappointed in this country & a lot of the people in it. I’ve wanted to move to NZ since my first visit in 2013. Just like for you, it felt like home. I miss it every day that I’m not there. That’s a lot of days to feel like you are not where you belong… Alas, I’m currently stuck in the US (my mom won’t leave & at her age I can’t leave her), fervently hoping we all survive the next 4 years. Sadly I don’t qualify for any of the age restricted Visas, and as someone self employed in a very specific industry, none of the skilled labor visas either. Next step is to research how long you have to be OUT of the country between 9 month visitor visas…

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:52 am #

      exactly!! Good luck I wish you and your mom all the best!

    • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 11:38 pm #

      it is not your home. even if you wish it was it’s not, it is new zealands home. fuck off to your own home. leave mine alone

      • LizB December 24, 2016 at 2:09 am #

        Um, kiwikate, unless you’re Maori you are of immigrant stock yourself. Just sayin’.

  6. Simon November 10, 2016 at 4:12 am #

    To your readers. Please note – we love nice friendly clever people. You are all welcome in NZ. We simply request that you at least pretend to like rugby, allow us to try to explain cricket, and you leave the country music at home. Thanks.

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:53 am #

      I will never understand cricket – why is the bat flat?

      • Carlos November 10, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

        Why is the baseball bat round? Why is there a Hillary? Why is there a Donald J? Because.

    • AuthorAuthor November 11, 2016 at 3:09 am #

      I think I can qualify–just spent the weekend in Chicago to see the All Blacks and actually got within 100 ft of Richie McCaw (I gasped…I never gasp). I hate country music and we’ve been trying to figure out cricket since we ended up in Bermuda during Cup Match two different times, although we still don’t get it. We already know what jobs we want–I want to work in a winery tasting room and the mr. would be a great kayak and fishing guide. We’ll leave the business in the hands of our son and sell the house. Now to figure out the right visa for 2 50somethings…

      • Cally November 13, 2016 at 6:14 pm #

        Come on over, maybe do a campervan tour on a holiday visa, see if this is right for you?! And don’t worry about cricket, I’ve lived here my whole life, don’t understand a thing. But it’s ok, they just want to explain it to you, you’re not expected to understand it, they’re not that crazy. If you’re after a warm wine region and boating, check out Marlborough & the Marlborough Sounds. If you’re into the quirky/artsy eco-greeny lifestyle (also with wine!), check out Nelson. If you’re seriously into your winter fun (and GREAT red wine), then Wanaka / Queenstown are for you. If you like funky/modern living by the sea, try Wellington (in this scenario, you also like windy weather and walking up and down hills. And fabulous white wines just north in the Wairarapa). You can even indulge in country music (argh!) if you need to, check out Gore. There’s almost certainly a place just for you, and you could check out employment opportunities while you’re here.

        • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 11:39 pm #

          don’t

          • Gina December 2, 2016 at 3:35 pm #

            Are you against immigrants ?

  7. Henry Young November 10, 2016 at 4:55 am #

    Talk for a minute about what happened in Spain?

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:52 am #

      you mean with my visas?

  8. Moving backward 2 moving OUT November 10, 2016 at 5:04 am #

    Thank you for summing up my feelings and thoughts this morning …

    “I want nothing to do with the America I saw tonight. I’m ashamed of them and bitterly disappointed. I’m so incredibly disheartened that fear, ignorance, and hate won, and that the majority of Americans want to live in a country of walls, bigotry and hate. I do not want to belong to such a place. I’m devastated”

    I really believed I would wake up to an America looking to the future – not trying to re-establish the old order of our past. We could have made history – instead we made a HUGE mistake. We, quite frankly, suck.

    Country music can stay here – I would love to try to understand Cricket (AND finally live in a country that, among other things, calls football FOOTBALL!) – my three kids and husband have been dreaming of a new life in New Zealand . . . so perhaps we will be part of a mass exodus – educated tolerant people fed-up with the BS in the US should leave. Hopefully New Zealand will have us!

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:53 am #

      hahah good luck!

  9. Henry C November 10, 2016 at 8:12 am #

    Paying close attention to the Visa application I submitted to New Zealand a few weeks ago. See you there! 🙂

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:54 am #

      see you soon!

  10. Brittany Q | Transformed Thru Travel November 10, 2016 at 8:28 am #

    I’m coming over on BUNAC’s Work New Zealand IEP visa for first-time travelers 30-35 years old. Another option for those just a little bit older who want to do a working holiday!

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:54 am #

      oh that’s awesome! I’m not familiar with the other visas, is it for Americans?

      • Brittany Q | Transformed Thru Travel November 16, 2016 at 5:42 am #

        Yes, it’s for Americans 30-35 OR 18-35 if they’ve already used a standard working holiday visa. It looks like it’s available to those from the UK, Ireland, and Canada, too. =)

  11. andrés November 10, 2016 at 9:32 am #

    Thank you for taking the time to write this post and trying to help others

    • Liz November 10, 2016 at 9:55 am #

      trying!

  12. Melissa November 10, 2016 at 10:02 am #

    I’m all in favor of people leaving if they want, but I’m also arguing that we need people to stay and fight and lead the charge for (good) change! We need allies and strong voices and motivators and reasonable people too! (I myself have dual citizenship but I’m not planning on throwing in the towel just yet…)

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      I admire people who feel that way!

  13. Charlotte Bax November 10, 2016 at 10:14 am #

    Man so many Visas! It looks like anyone who is not some lazy-ass good-for-nothing could get a visa for NZ 😉 I’d love to live somewhere more quiet than The Netherlands sometime in the future – here everyone lives so closely packed together that it makes people really short tempered and annoyed with each other (me included if my neighbour turns up the volume of his music…). NZ sure is a place where I could live, if only for all the hiking opportunities… Not to mention it is THE Lord of the Rings country <3

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      basically if you are under 30 or if you have a strong skillset in need here, there are visa options!

      • Timaran November 15, 2016 at 1:26 am #

        But what if you are over 30? I am a professional in a science field (wildlife biology) and currently work for the U.S. govt. Which means that Agent Orange is about to become my boss (I just threw up in my mouth typing that). I wish I could find another option. 🙁

        • LizB December 24, 2016 at 2:16 am #

          Me too, 50 in public health, mostly international health and development. Kind of thinking our programs that target the poor, marginalized and at-risk populations are about to get hit hard. Discouraging is not the right word. Horrifying is closer Will stay and fight. but wow. just wow.

  14. Heather November 10, 2016 at 11:38 am #

    Do you have any suggestions for a woman over 40? I have been working in the technology sector for 20 years and after all the boy’s clubs and indignities I have dealt with so far, this, this is the last straw. My country made it real obvious that women are forever second class citizens.

    • Natalie November 10, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

      I’d be interesting in hearing any replies to Heather’s question as well.

      • Timaran November 15, 2016 at 1:27 am #

        As would I.

    • James November 10, 2016 at 7:36 pm #

      Marry an Australian

      Steps for Australians to move to New Zealand

      Step 1 Move to New Zealand

      There is no step 2

      • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:59 am #

        haha it’s so much harder to move to Australia though

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      I’m not sure, check out the interactive immigration page!

    • LizB December 24, 2016 at 2:18 am #

      Me too.

  15. Julie November 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

    I’ve just found your blog and am giving it a proper stalking… I’m currently an expat in Singapore and am looking to head to NZ with my man (he’s a Kiwi) so am super excited to have found your blog!! And oh my gawd, let’s not even get started on the shit show that is the US right now… It’s easy to live in an expat bubble where most of your friends share your same views, values, etc… So you think, no way could that happen in the US… But then you realize, actually, the way I think has somehow become in the minority. Wow. How has the US regressed so damn much? Shocking. And so sad. Well, I was thinking of moving back next year but that is permanently on the back burner. I just need to break that news to the parents.. HA!

    • Timaran November 11, 2016 at 3:24 am #

      Hi Julie. I agree with everything you said, but one note: you are not in the minority. Mrs. Clinton won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college. That’s one small consolation.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:41 am #

      I know, we’re about to regress BIG TIME!

  16. Christa November 10, 2016 at 2:54 pm #

    Thank you for this post but would love some more in-dept info such as costs of living, great cities to live in, etc. We’re a family of 3 so we’re looking for child-friendly places to move and New Zealand is near the top of our list. Fortunately my husband will be graduating soon in Computer Science which is on the NZ Shortage List but I’m worried about him being able to find a job abroad. He could fly over for an interview if things look promising but we can’t just show up in New Zealand and hope things go well. Any recommendations for getting a job offer? What are the larger companies in NZ that we should be connecting with?

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:43 am #

      I have no idea, sorry. I can say that Auckland would not be my first choice to live because it’s big, busy, and expensive, but the climate and lifestyle is fabulous up there and it’s near so many beaches – Christchurch is being rebuilt from the earthquake and I love it, but Wellington is by far my favorite city! Dunedin is really cool too!

  17. Ryan November 10, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

    This whole election has made me think maybe the time might have come to be a nomad for a while. What America has chosen is not something I can stand by, so I’d rather be a person who lives nowhere than be part of a country that has turned it’s back on those who saw it as a place where things are possible.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:43 am #

      respect xx

  18. Katherine November 10, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

    Hi Liz, first let me say I’ve liked your blog for a long time and admire your passion for travel and adventure. And it’s wonderful you’ve built a business around that.

    I understand this is a very contentious time in our country and I normally don’t comment publicly on blogs, but I think your post is blatantly missing a very important point. Nowhere in it do you acknowledge the privilege you have as an American, especially an American traveling and living in another country. Having an American passport is an incredible privilege that people in other countries would (and have) died to attain. It is a golden ticket into the world. While you may have experienced many immigration hassles, people from many nations have to jump through so many additional hoops and biases trying to exit/enter countries.

    You linked to your post about initially moving to NZ (http://youngadventuress.com/2013/05/moving-to-new-zealand.html). In it you said it took only three days for your visa to get approved…that is privilege. That is your American citizenship helping you jump to the front of the line. Do you really think people from other countries (especially countries in Africa and Middle East) can travel and attain visas so simply and without bias?

    I think this is a time where I know I’m ashamed of where our country is at this moment in history. But I’ll never be ashamed to be an American. If you truly are and want nothing to do with our country, then give up your citizenship.

    I think it’s great you want to share how wonderful NZ is and educate others on how they may be able to visit/live in the country. But next time you write about a topic like this, maybe give some more thought to the privileged status being an American has given you as a traveler.

    • NZ Canuck November 10, 2016 at 4:15 pm #

      Katherine, I respectfully disagree on some of your points – NZ’s passport is ranked 23nd in the world, slightly behind the US (18th), but I don’t think that one is any more of a “privilege” to attain than the other. I can tell you from much personal experience travelling overseas that the Canadian passport is preferable to travel on in many places (a former partner was an American citizen, she typically had a lot more trouble than I did). Savvy US travellers in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, etc. often sew Canadian flags onto their backpacks to make their lives a bit easier, because the American passport is far short of being a “golden ticket into the world”.

      You mention that people in other countries have died to attain American passports – with respect to my American friends, these people (e.g. from Syria) just want to attain a better life, and they are happy to do so in Scandinavia, Germany, America, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. I think that your implication that refugees the world over aspire to be American citizens is off the mark. Of course, under Trump, these people won’t be welcome anyway.

      You also mentioned that Liz got her NZ visa approved in three days because her American passport helped her “jump to the front of the line”. I doubt this is the case, Immigration NZ evaluates each application on it’s own individual merits, in the order they are received. So if Liz got hers done quickly, it was because she was an excellent applicant, not because of her passport.

      IMO, it’s ok for Liz to feel disappointed with the direction that Americans have voted, as many of Trumps views/values are fundamentally against her own. That hurts of course, and she’s entitled to be angry about it. No one here seems to expect her to forget her roots, or given up her citizenship, or forget how privileged she is. Some Americans don’t realise that it’s considered perfectly normal for citizens of many other countries (e.g. NZ, Britain) to have multiple passports. We are after all a much more global community these days, and I find it surprising that Americans often think they have to “give up” their citizenship for another countries.

      Perhaps you should give some more thought to the fact that the US is increasingly becoming a deeply troubled, intolerant, racially-divided, gun-obsessed society – and now apparently with a elitist tycoon at the helm who wants to encourage racial, religious and gender discrimination, renege on free trade agreements, and bring back state-sanctioned torture. But don’t forget how privileged you are…

      • Michelle November 10, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

        AMEN

      • Timaran November 11, 2016 at 3:27 am #

        NZ Canuck, I wish I could up-vote your post.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:47 am #

      Ok, I love this, but I acknowledge ALL THE DAMN TIME that I am privileged for many reasons including being American – do I need to preface every blog post with that? If anything I think it’s a major privilege that we have democracy (for now) and we can have the right to vote when half of the eligible voters in America didn’t show up – that’s terrible. It’s unfair to make the jump from me saying I don’t want anything to do with America right now to giving up my citizenship. While I totally understand where you’re coming from and appreciate your opinion, I DO NOT need you tell me how often, when or where I should be acknowledging my privelage. Thanks.

    • George November 25, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

      Thank you Kathrine….

  19. NZ Canuck November 10, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

    I moved to NZ permanently in 2008, after visiting a couple of years earlier – like many people who have commented here, I immediately knew that this is where I belonged.

    But NZ is probably not for everyone – some words of caution to those disaffected Americans thinking about moving here:
    – come with an open mind, and I doubt you’ll be disappointed – NZ is nothing like the US (or any other country for that matter), yet we still hear tourists complaining that this or that isn’t up to standard. Remember, NZ has a population similar to Oregon State (4 million, 600 km of coastline), spread over two main islands in the South Pacific with over 15,000 km of coastline. NZ is a relatively unpopulated country with similar size to the UK (65 million people), Italy (60 million) and Japan (130 million), with gigantic open spaces, especially on the South Island. It’s a vast outdoor playground which includes seemingly endless rivers, lakes, mountains, and just plain empty places. If you’re into an active outdoor life, it just doesn’t get any better than the South Island.

    But don’t expect huge glittering cities, high-brow shopping districts and world-class public transportation systems. New Zealand is more about taking your time to get about, and enjoying wild places that are almost impossibly beautiful, yet very accessible. And the people are typically just unpretentious, friendly folk who would give you the shirt off their back in an instant (there are a few who would steal the shirt off your back as well, but they are few and far between). And the coffee’s just amazing. So are the beaches. And the weather’s usually pretty good as well (at least in Christchurch where I live).

    Sure, there are some things that need to be improved, like the afore-mentioned push to intensify dairy farming on marginal land which is ruining low-country watersheds, and there are a few too many earthquakes, but the upsides are just so compelling. I’ve travelled to many parts of the world, and for me, this is the best place in the world to raise a family and to enjoy the outdoors – by a long shot.

    So, don’t be afraid, come and embrace our wonderful country, bring your passion for a fair and equitable society and caring for the environment, and you might just find a better place. As we say in Aotearoa, “just give it a go, she’ll be right”!

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:49 am #

      totally agree! I plan to write a lot more about this (and actually cut out about 500 words form this article I had written about that topic!) but wanted the focus to be on the visa options in this post instead haha

      • Michael December 24, 2016 at 6:17 pm #

        Hey Liz, really enjoying your blog. With your recent visit back home, you mentioned missing good tacos and Target. Would be great if you could do a post on what do folks typically miss from America when moving to NZ. Also, what’s better?

  20. Ryan W November 10, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

    Just to add a Kiwi’s opinion into the mix for your followers, it’s not all rosy red down here.
    Immigration and poor government control has led to an out of control housing crisis.
    Liz mentions Wanaka being expensive for housing. That’s always been the case given Central Otago’s amazing scenery. But it’s not where your average worker can go and live and work though.
    If you’re heading to Auckland, NZ’s largest city, the average price for a home is $1 Million NZD!! ($700,000USD)
    That is completely ridiculous and has spiraled out of control for years thanks to a lack of control on foreign ownership, and speculators forcing the price up. Also a lack of available land for building hasn’t helpled.
    This virus has filtered down south to the rest of the country and Christchurch, where I live, the average price of a house in now $500,000.

    Liz is right about John Key though – he is a muppet!
    Hopefully at our next elections we’ll have someone stand up and fight for the people again.

    One can only hope…

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:49 am #

      haha thanks for backing me up!

  21. Rachel L November 10, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

    Avos are cheap as, up in the Bay of Plenty, Liz! Actually, I don’t even buy them now – someone’s always giving them away.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:51 am #

      OMG OMG OMG DON’T RUB IT IN! (PS send me some)

  22. No Thanks November 10, 2016 at 5:06 pm #

    “the majority of Americans want to live in a country of walls, bigotry and hate”

    False. Are you aware of how many people actually vote? Please educate yourself. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

    Both options were disgusting. The fact that you think Hillary was super qualified despite her lies, cheating, and corruption, makes you disgusting.

    You were clearly brainwashed by the Clinton machine. Bye, we don’t need you! And you lost a reader

    – One who proudly cast a ballot for Jill Stein in Florida

    • Michelle November 10, 2016 at 6:00 pm #

      The only disgusting thing here is that due to your throw away vote in a key swing state, we are now stuck with Trump – who has zero experience, lies, cheats, and is corrupt (among a laundry list of other awful traits). You can unsubscribe without being a rude and condescending internet troll. Bye Felicia.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:56 am #

      I wrote this before it was mentioned that she won the popular vote. But I would love to hear actual facts about her “lies, cheating and corruption” because most of it were Republican smear campaigns since the 90’s that have very little or no truth behind them. Where did she lie? When did she cheat? How exactly is she corrupt? Please EDUCATE ME. Did you know that she is considered to be one of the most honest politicians in America based off of the Pulitzer Prize winning nonpartisan fact checker? PS you should be totally ashamed of your third party vote in Florida – you helped Trump win Florida – hope that feels good in a few years.

      • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:39 am #

        All of the things said about Trump were also democratic smear campaigns. Quit being raised.

        • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm #

          Everything I said about Trump was repeating what he said himself! You can literally watch him be a racist bigot on youtube, no media needed!

          • Kristen Morey November 26, 2016 at 11:41 am #

            Amen! All the things we found horrible about Trump were from his own horrible orange mouth. Most of the things people found horrible about Clinton were outright false from fake news sites, or made up scandals (like the damn emails, when W “lost” and equivalent amount.)

  23. Ant November 10, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

    I’m in NZ for a year next Feb. Maybe see you in Queenstown.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:57 am #

      Sounds good, I’m in Wanaka though

  24. Ant November 10, 2016 at 6:43 pm #

    Oh, do you have anything to do with this? 😜

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37932921

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:58 am #

      haha I hadn’t seen that!

  25. Keen Hiker November 10, 2016 at 7:09 pm #

    Hi Liz
    after spending 8 years living away from NZ I had no regrets about coming back permanently as you say it is a wonderful country.

    I saw some of the news footage about Trumps campaign and it blows me away why anyone would want him as a president??.

    I have been looking at your website and following your blogs for a while now and what you have done is truly remarkable for someone so young. Keep doing what you are doing and stay away from negative people.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:58 am #

      Thank you, I’m trying!

  26. Roger Waddell November 10, 2016 at 9:29 pm #

    Hi Liz

    It has been a privilege that you have created this forum where people are basically speaking respectfully to each other. We are 4th generation Kiwis and have run The Gates Accommodation here in sunny Nelson for some years. We get peaks in Americans staying every time there is some crisis of identity in the States. Usually it is a time of reflection for them. “Shall we leave the US?” “What is it like to leave family and emigrate?” “Can we change our country from within?” “What is it like to live in another Western democracy?” And many, of course, return – better for their time of seeing their home country from another perspective.Many are the wines we have shared solving the problems of the world!

    NZ is not immune from the same drivers that afflict the States. We have a neo-liberal government which is quietly ignoring its climate change/biodiversity obligations; a government which is presiding over an opening chasm between rich and poor; a government which values the big players over the small businesses and workers. But, after travelling the world for 2 years, I feel so privileged to live here.

    Whereas Congress is 40% lawyers (a drop from 80% 10 years ago), only 8% of NZ MPs are. Our representatives are still largely from the communities they represent – there is a vestige of egalitarianism and our MPs could be the person down the road – a builder, a farmer, a teacher. However, this is changing as – like the US – there is the rise of the professional politician. See http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/04/mps_occupations.html
    .
    And lets not forget, NZ is a paradise! I moved to Nelson from further north for its amazing outdoor and cultural lifestyle – NZ’s sunniest spot with stunning beaches, mountains, rivers, artisans, wineries – and a small-town feeling where everybody is connected.Like Central Otago, there are sunshine wages – you live here because of the lifestyle not the income.

    So,my heart goes out to those Americans assailed by this blustery, misogynist, non-tax paying, employee-abusing, science-denying, racist, hate-filled exploiter. But, you know, it may cause the Democrats to re-examine their niche and maybe return to their origins as a party truly representative of the average American. Good luck!

    Roger Waddell.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 9:59 am #

      Thank you Roger!

  27. mary jones November 11, 2016 at 1:04 am #

    i share your horror, but keep in mind the orange war monger did not win the popular vote, so we can thank the stupid electoral system for this nightmare

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 10:02 am #

      ugh!!11

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:38 am #

      They both received about 48% of the vote which means half of the country does not have the same views you do. Thats a very large amount of people. Accept it.

  28. Jamie November 11, 2016 at 2:34 am #

    Liz,
    I love your blog, instgram, and SNAP Chat. I’m obsessed with how talented you are.

    Thank you for writing this.

    I agree one hundred and fixity percent. It’s a sad day to be an American.

    I remember what it was like to travel the world under George W. I suspect the same thing will happen under Trump. As Americans will be prejudged, as bigots, racists, and morons. I just hope the world knows that the people who supported Trump never leave their home town.Never travel to see the beauty in any other country. Never meet anyone of a deifferent religion and have a conversation with them. Sadly they are fearful of the big, wide world, and close minded to a fault.

    I don’t want to live in a Trump America and will begin making plans to become an expat. Thanks for writing what most sane Americans are thinking.
    Peace,
    Jamie

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 10:03 am #

      Thanks!

  29. Kami November 11, 2016 at 3:29 am #

    Wow Liz, I agree with you on everything. I am an educated African American woman with a Masters and I am afraid of what the future may hold for people who look like me. The majority of my friends are white and I hear the jabs they take at people of other races and religious opinions. I treat everyone with the utmost respect and I try to live a Godly life but I was appalled by what I heard. The sad thing about it is they think that God told them to vote Trump. My heart was grieved. It has been a dream for me to live in NZ or somewhere like France or England. Now may be the time to explore those options because when you dont feel safe in your own home country then one has to do what is best for them. I wish everyone the best of luck and the Lord be with you all!!

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 10:03 am #

      I’m so scared!

  30. Ron November 11, 2016 at 7:06 am #

    I digress, Hillary spent eight years as first lady and four years as Secretary of State. A total of twelve years living and working in a classified environment and receiving numerous briefing on identifying, handling and protecting classified information. The FBI testified to congress her personnel unsecured server contained numerous classified documents. This is a flagrant disregard of national security – anyone without strong political connections would have lost their security clearance and jailed. I find Hillary’s national security breaches far more disturbing than Trump’s shortcomings. Talk about a serial liar that accurately describes both slick willy and Hillary.

    Then there’s the Clinton Foundation investigation!

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 10:05 am #

      Well I think if the FBI decided not to do anything about it they know better than you. How do you know she’s lying? Fuck I hate it when people think they know everything. Are you in the FBI? Were you part of the investigation? DO you know everything? THen if not, keep your uninformed opinions to yourself!

      • ron November 12, 2016 at 6:35 am #

        FACT: The FBI did confirm she did have classified data on her computer. She stated she did not have any classified their, that’s a LIE. Case closed.

        • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:30 pm #

          There not their. And if the FBI didn’t prosecute, I don’t believe you should think you know better. And I think it’s a little rich to even bring up the FBI about how terribly James Comey behaved right before the election.

        • Timaran November 15, 2016 at 1:32 am #

          The information was classified AFTER she received it on her server. This is clearly in the FBI’s report. And everyone always chooses to forget that previous Sec’ys of State ALSO had home servers, including Colin Powell and Condeleeza Rice.

      • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:37 am #

        Your entire post showed that you are someone that thinks she knows everything.

  31. Ross Brader November 11, 2016 at 8:26 am #

    If you want to move to NZ then consider Auckland, the city of sails, we have such an amazing environment here with plenty to do, great climate with no smog!

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 10:06 am #

      Auckland is a great place! Minus the traffic and million dollar real estate lol

  32. Dennis Hill November 11, 2016 at 9:34 am #

    Great post , but umm on the “diversity isn’t its strong suit”? Maybe you live in the middle of the South Island (and who wouldn’t if they could for the environment there), but New Zealand’s large cities are quite diverse, Auckland is now only around 50 -55% European origin and that includes a fair number of people who have decades past mixed heritage. 25% of Auckland is Asian, and that is “Asian” as in the whole huge and diverse continent of Asia. My high school was 50% non-Pakeha, my parents generation of my family has three mixed couples in it, and that is not uncommon at all.

    And even the diversity of the newer migrants who have arrived in the last 30 years seeps out into the small towns: I am a kiwi and on my Koreans wife’s first visit to Australia and New Zealand, In Australia she felt uncomfortable and often threatened, especially outside the inner city areas, and I even noticed some outright hostility in rural towns there. In Perth, someone tried to place their order with her in a cafe because it turned out the only Asians perhaps in the whole suburb were the owners of said cafe.

    In New Zealand however, she found the small towns the most welcoming, people were interested and polite, asking where she was from and how we met, regaling her with cute stories of some Korean person they met or even did business with. She felt appreciated and welcome. It swelled me with pride; we met Korean New Zealand small holdings farmers at random in a supermarket on the outskirts of Nelson that shared similar experiences about their life in NZ.

    All major political parties in NZ try and get votes from as many sectors and groups in the community as they can. This is not only because of the electoral system but because to openly exclude one group through your actions would be seen as toxic by their other supporters. I cannot fathom a major party in NZ (or most western democracies for that matter) thinly disguising attempts to disenfranchise large amounts of the electorate for their advantage.

    New Zealand is not perfect; New Zealanders are not perfect. But at least most of us take pride in aspiring to be better human beings. I think any Americans who make it to New Zealand no matter their background or creed will find it a much gentler, more inclusive place than where they are from. I think New Zealand would be missing a massive chance if it didn’t look at changing its immigration rules and setting up business incubators etc. so that we could take advantage of the terribleness of Trump by welcoming in the best, brightest, and most entrepreneurial of Americans who want to leave.

    • Liz November 11, 2016 at 10:07 am #

      great points. I was just referring to the fact that NZ is super white compared to America, and Wanaka especially.

      • Dennis Hill November 11, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

        Haha, Wanaka is Super White compared to fresh snow, but then so is anywhere in Maine or Vermont 😀 ..

        Also to some of the people below complaining about housing costs and saying it is because of immigration, well that is just a bit simplistic.

        Immigration is a factor in house prices of course, as it puts upward pressure on the demand curve, but the main problem in New Zealand (and Australia) is supply.

        And the problem is when people start talking about supply they nearly always come to the wrong conclusions. With the physical size of our major cities now there is only minimal good that can be done by “opening up land to housing”, and doing that is mostly a bad. Creating yet more endless suburbs no matter how shiny and new when they start will only increase the number of second generation middle of nowhere hell holes.

        Four things would help with supply, but they require the government at a few levels to make a central plan and manage it.

        – If “new” land is opened up for suburbs, then those areas need sensible central planning.
        — Built around transport and town hubs, with small shopping malls, markets and open air streets.
        — Medium density (Sydney terraced housing comes to mind) directly around the transport hub
        — Low density further out, and I mean low, not traditional ticky-tacky boxes shoved so close it is the worst of both worlds.
        — Bike, Tram, Bus and Park’n’Ride facilities radiating out from the transport hub

        – Increase the density in the inner cities, high density in the CBD, medium-high density on the edge of the CBD, and medium density outside of that.
        — Minium standards for size, facilities, etc. to make apartments not only profitable for developers but great places for people to live in the long term.
        — Again Bike, Tram, Bus facilities in those inner city areas to connect to the centre and transport hubs.

        – Encourage/Demand new immigrants settle in smaller cities deemed “development” cities well outside of the major ones (not places to close that will eventually become part of a wider metro area or exhurbs) for the first ten years after migration.
        — Connect those cities via good roads and high-speed rail to the current major cities.
        — Plan those cities transport and housing patterns intensely.
        — Place Institutes of higher-learning with a particular industry focus in those cities, therefore encouraging that industries spread there.
        — Setup business incubators, sharing forums, etc. and help already existing business entrepreneurship mentorship programs to expand.

        – Retro-fit some of these ideas to existing large cities while keeping their traditional characters. (for instance encouraging and expanding the Wellington tradition of having down stairs one-two bedroom “student flats” in people’s homes.

        Central planning is not the way governments tend to work in the English-speaking world and hence there is a reluctance to think like this about housing supply, or to do some of these things in a half measured way.

        And there is one more thing that needs to be fixed to help supply. Phase out all tax incentives and financial advantages to owning a second home to “rent to others”. These incentives create the world of have and have-nots we see now, it creates an influential older voting block who will never-ever back policies that see housing prices decline. Younger people lucky enough to have parents who have multiple houses will be able to inherit them, those who do not are left trying to struggle to save money to buy a house or having it all drained away by small time landlords trying to extract every cent from their investment.

        And there you have it, I have written war and peace about bloody housing 😉

        • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

          So great, thanks!

        • Glen November 15, 2016 at 8:21 pm #

          @ Dennis Hill. You are so right. I am a traffic modeller in Brisbane. The issue is that new townhubs are designed by private development companies with little thought put into public transport (even the government requirements for these give short shrift to public transport).
          And these days any public transport infrastructure needed is something that keeps being kicked down the road to the next government. Brisbane has needed something done about their rail infrastructure in the city for over 10 years. Millions are spent on research and modelling to try and find the cheapest option for the minimum effect, then a new government is elected and decide to focus on their plans, so millions are spent on new research and modeling, then the old government gets voted back in next time, so millions are spent again on the old idea to be re-researched and re-modeled. With the final result of nothing having been done for the last 10 years.

  33. Mia November 11, 2016 at 12:37 pm #

    I’m one of those “Deplorables” who voted for Trump. Pretty disappointed to read some of your comments today. Usually, you seem so respectful and professional. I don’t mind that we have different views. We can do exceptionally better for our first woman president though.

    Your blog is actually my inspiration for our move to NZ. I’m in the process of applying for the Skilled Migrant Visa.

    Although it sounds like you’d decline a celebratory beer when I arrive.

    • Dennis Hill November 11, 2016 at 11:07 pm #

      Yeah don’t even bother to come .. Kiwis don’t need people so stupid as to vote for an outright bigot, fool, narcissist, and demagogue.

      And that’s not over the top, just read what he says, read why Pence says, read what half the idiots in the Republican party say. My wife has just spent half and hour reading me harrowing stories of absolutely horrible acts of racism both in person and online that Korean Americans have experienced from the red-necks and alt-right since his election. At least the racists actually understand what he has been saying and communicating; they are not blindly ignorant enough to think he was “just an alternative to Hillary”

      And fair enough if you didn’t like Hillary, you didn’t have to, and you didn’t have to vote for her (even if that would have helped defeat such a despicable candidate), you could have just abstained, you could have just sat it out .

      Now you, and I mean you (take responsibility for your actions as an adult) and your fellow fools have opened pandora’s box. Gods only know if the intelligent among us in our lifetimes will be able to snatch western civilisation and global progress out of the fire you morons have just thrown it into.

      So as a New Zealand citizen I beg you please don’t come! Stay in the hell-hole you have decided to create. We don’t want YOU and YOURS in our slice of paradise; our vast diaspora might need it as our last refuge when the rest of the world is falling around our ears.

      • Katie November 12, 2016 at 8:54 am #

        STOP. Just stop. I don’t like Trump AT ALL but I’m so sick of people calling people stupid over who they voted for. I know plenty of intelligent, wonderful people who voted for Trump, although reluctantly so. In America, people are attacking each other over this. INSULTING PEOPLE OVER THIS IS NOT HELPING. I’m sorry for sounding harsh but I’m so SICK of this. We need to respect and support each other no matter what, not bring them down. I would say the same thing to Trump supporters who make fun of Hillary supporters. Do you think MLK would have said those kinds of things to those who hated him so? No, he still treated them with love. Obama himself defended a Trump supporter. I couldn’t support Trump or Hillary so I abstained, and my liberal sister is furious with me. The whole election was upsetting enough, the hate BOTH SIDES are spewing to each other is just making it so much worse.

        • Dennis Hill November 12, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

          No Katie, that is not how this works. There is no equivalency, none, between the two sides this time. People who voted for him were and are stupid, even if in other walks of their life they can be intelligent, they may have constructed a cognitive dissonance around their support for him, or just be bigots themselves. But there is no excuse

          This was not an ordinary election, he was not and is not an ordinary candidate. He is an outspoken racist, bigot, sexist, bully, foreign policy illiterate, economic illiterate, an admirer of dictators and despots. He has surrounded himself with people even worse than him; he has embraced unjustified conspiracy theories about the first black president, individuals who oppose him, about racial justice movements, about the conduct of officials, about foreign friendly governments, about economics, and about the whole global community of scientists.

          Voting this time was not a choice between Mccain and Obama, Romney and Obama, Carter and Regan, or Kennedy and Nixon. If it was I would agree everyone should try to accept the result and respect people who voted the other side. But nobody gets a pass for voting for Trump, all the nice conciliatory feelings some people are trying spread now will have vanished in smoke after four years of his and his parties rule. And good luck getting rid of them, you are about to see the biggest nationwide effort in minority and young voter disenfranchisement since Jim Crow.

          On the domestic front can you even imagine the fear, the skin grabbing fear, the pain, the tears ready to burst at any moment, and the gut wrenching sickness that millions of Hispanics have been going through since Tuesday. Imagining soldiers, national guards, and police rounding up friends, family, and neighbours for deportation, how likely is it also that genuine citizens get swept up in that process as they did the 60 years again during “Operation Wetback” a scheme admired by Trump. The millions of black parents and young people who now have to fear a new existence where being ‘stopped and frisked’ is part of their everyday routine.

          On the international front, we are now confronting the destruction of most of the institutions and norms that have held widespread peace and prosperity since the end of world war 2. I live in East Asia; my wife hails from the most isolated and vulnerable part of it, our first child in her belly is half Korean. There are good chances given all he has said and his basic temperament that the security and freedom of Korea, Taiwan, the nations bordering the South China Sea will be traded away to the Peoples Republic of China in return for some paper tiger of a trade deal. I can only the imagine the fear and dread of any Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians right now.

          Often most of this would have been impossible for one man to effect in the American system because other branches of the government could have thwarted his efforts. But you now have a Trump presidency, an active Pence VP, a Republican Senate, and a nearly permanently Republican house (thanks to gerrymandering, a practice that is considered corruption in most other democracies). And the Republican Party has been purged of most of its moderates over the last 30 years, those even close to the centre of politics were amongst the most vocal opposition within their own party to Trump and therefore will hold no sway. And now you have a supreme court the has one opening, and possibly more in the next few years that will be filled by people who hold such biased partisan views they should be ashamed to call themselves judiciary.

          Trump voters need to realise what they have done. Not be sheltered by kindness from the responsibility of their actions. Not given the excuse that they are just one side of a normal two sided coin. Not being made to understand that during the primary and general elections is at least partly to blame for them thinking their choice was legitimate.

          And lastly, I am an NZ citizen, the last thing I want is these morons like Mia moving to my country. Let us rip away some of America’s most talented people to live in our paradise, but having voted for Trump should be a disqualifying for any residency visa candidate.

          • Katie November 12, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

            Look I understand your frustration. I honestly don’t understand how Trump even got the Republican nomination in the first place. But since you don’t actually live here, let me tell you: we are so divided as a country. It’s broken, and we can’t agree on anything. The two-party system isn’t working anymore because each side goes to extremes, and the moderates are forced to pick a side. George Washington himself was against it, and he was actually the first and only president to not have a political party. We’re so divided. That’s why I get upset about the insults. They do nothing and add fuel to the fire. Hillary didn’t call the people who voted for Trump morons; she pledged to try and work with him. I deeply respect that. My issue is not the frustration for people who dislike Trump, because I totally get that, it’s the insulting. It’s just making this situation worse. No amount of screaming and destruction of cities is going to change the results, so what we need to do is to nod our heads and try to deal with this situation and try the best we can to work together on this, not tear others down. We’re already in such a mess right now.

          • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:31 am #

            Why do you want to keep certain people out of your country but demand that America lets everyone in? Hypocritical much? Yes well you sound liberal so of course you are a hypocrite.

        • Dennis Hill November 12, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

          Katie, I understand it is not nice to live in a country divided amongst itself. But unless both sides are to blame for the bitterness relatively evenly then the way to solve it is not to apply false equivalency to the situation in order to comprimse to point where you can make statements like “because each side goes to extremes”.

          One side of your politics has been migrating towards an extreme since Goldwater, and with Trump and Pence (Populist Demagogue plus Religious Conservative Extremist) an extreme has been reached that sensible people could see them going to but thought they would always stop short of reaching. The other side of your politics is not devoid of a few extreme crazy people, but they do not hold the reigns of power, they don’t occupy important positions in the party.

          And you are correct violence is not the answer – again no major Democratic figures have advocated violence, the opposite in fact, but during the campaign, Trump advocated it often and loudly -. Protests are a good way to react, it is important that people have an outlet to show a person like Trump and the Republicans that they are not going to lie down and let their countries progress and institutions be destroyed,; and lets not kid ourselves during these 4 years your institution of democracy and the rule of law will be under attack from the “conservatives” (what an ironic label that is).

          People in your country and around the world from all sensible points of view need to unite and resist for the next four years, resist loudly and strongly, not “work together” with the other-side, the other-side of rationality is unfathomable. But with no violence, as that will only hasten a slide into authoritarianism (look at Turkey since this year’s coup). And that includes denouncing those that voted for and continue to support Tump; there is no excuse, we live in the most connected and information-rich era of humanity, anyone supporting him knows what they are doing or has constructed their thinking to ignore it. That being said, anybody he denounces their previous support for him and his policies should be welcomed back to decency with open arms, they don’t have to change their side of politics, they just have to repudiate the worst extremes of it.

          And FYI, in New Zealand I am to the right of centre, I am not a raging lefty, and luckily in NZ I get to have arguments against idiots in a small minority. The very small ‘conservative” party that is influenced by too many sleepless nights watching Fox News and the extremes of the greens who rail against vaccines, and science.

        • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

          Do you understand how ironic that is considering how vile and insulting Trump is? He literally has insulted every race and minority in America and you want people to unite behind him? I do not respect someone who is endorsed by the KKK. I do not respect someone who says women should be punished and all the other hateful things he has said. I do not support a man who incites violence at his rallies. How can you even begin to compare how the republicans have behaved in this election with the democrats? Have you even been paying attention?

          • Katie November 15, 2016 at 4:14 am #

            Yes I have. And honestly, what else are we going to do? Democrats and Republicans need to stop pointing middle fingers at each other and need to learn to work together. Our country is falling apart because of this. I’m tired of those Facebook pages that do nothing but make fun of liberals or conservatives and say how stupid they are. There’s nothing wrong with being liberal and nothing wrong with being conservative, there is something wrong with having a closed mind and thinking the other side is automatically bad. Our entire constitution is the way it is because of compromise. Look, I don’t like Trump. I really don’t. He’s disgusting and crude and I wish he never even ran. But the fact is, he was elected our president. No amount of screaming or hashtags or rioting will change that (UNLESS the electoral college decides otherwise). So what I’m saying is that we need to stop putting liberals or conservatives down for having a different view on how the country should be (And I AM NOT just talking about human rights-I know people who reluctantly voted for Trump not because they were racists or homophobes, but they generally agreed more with his fiscal policies. There’s more to voting and elections than social justice). This whole election was a mess. The candidates were bad enough, and the fighting is making it worse.

          • K November 15, 2016 at 6:03 am #

            Katie, I think people (at least the normal people, so ignore Jim) are not saying there’s anything wrong with being liberal or being conservative. They’re saying there’s something wrong with Trump. He ran on a platform of bigotry and misogyny, and 60 million people pushed an “I’m cool with that” button, and that’s the problem.

          • Katie November 15, 2016 at 7:37 am #

            Oh yeah, that is a problem-I totally agree with that. Actually, though, what’s more bewildering is how he even got the Republican nomination in the first place. I’m not quite that disturbed by people who voted for him in the final election, because everyone I know did it grudgingly, but I am definitely disturbed by people who’ve supported him since the beginning. But like I said, this election was bad enough. Everyone yelling at each other is just making it so much worse.

      • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:33 am #

        Quit telling people not to come to your country you bigot. You are a racist bigot hater who wants to shelter yourself away from people you don’t agree with but you demand that America a country you don’t even live in open its borders to anyone that wants to come in. You are a hypocrite bigoted racist demigod.

        • Dennis Hill November 13, 2016 at 3:24 am #

          Jim , and you a good example of an American “Conservative”, you actually think calling someone’s views liberal is an insult. A person with a rounded education would think that liberal, conservative, and centrist viewpoints can all be valid and can be held by the same person about different issues. I mostly lean towards a centrist-liberal social view, liberal economic views (and look that up you dolt, because it isn’t what you think it is), and I have mixed liberal and conservative views on government and institutions – I am quite happy with the constitutional monarchy in NZ, hardly a liberal view there – .

          Another thing that gives you away as someone who lacks a good deal of analytic and rational thinking is that you didn’t read my words, you read what you wanted to into my words. I never said that your country wasn’t allowed to set it’s own immigration rules, every sovereign entity has that right. And no one except the most extreme people think that any nation should have open borders in our world as it stands at present. But that doesn’t mean using hateful speech, making up lies about immigrant populations, and smearing whole races/countries/religions should be tolerated as acceptable speech when some candidate is trying to articulate their policy on immigration. Nor would it seem like a particularly smart idea to deport millions of people in your country that are part of its economy and social fabric, they may have reached their illegally, and you may want to stop that in the future, but a pragmatic humane approach to the problem is probably the best idea.

          No modern multi-cultural democracy (and this especially applies to the former European colonies that were mostly gained their independence with a social pluralism already present) should seek to deny people’s immigration on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, and ethnicity. But it should if it wishes (as New Zealand, Canada, and Australia do) use selection criteria that encourage the smart and successful and exclude the stupid, the bigoted, the racist, the religious zealots, and people who don’t believe in the basic tenants of democracy.

          In that case, we should exclude Trump voters, why spread the problems to our country. Also given the nature of New Zealand’s democracy, social institutions, and culture it would seem an awfully strange place for an American Trump voter, or “Conservative” to want to migrate to, we stand in mostly united opposition to the ideas espoused by those groups.

          • Jim November 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

            No I read your words just fine Dennis. By the way I am responding using a different email because your liberal host is obviously intolerant of others views and decided to erase my post and block my email. You see I understand liberals perfectly well because they all act the same, and yes calling someone a liberal is an insult because conservatives know what type of people they are.

            Did you notice every area that fills up with liberals slowly turns to shit and then the liberals move somewhere else where they repeat the process? Just like a virus. As far as nobody having a policy of open borders you couldn’t be more wrong. Thank you for confirming my belief that it is actually liberals that talk without thinking and like to believe in what they want instead of reality. Hillary Clinton is on tape giving a speech to big shot bankers where she point blank says she wants and believes in open borders, and she is not even a far left liberal. She is slightly liberal. Talk to Nancy Pelosi who was recorded on tape saying the same thing about open borders, and also said the constitution is wrong and needs to be amended to let all immigrants in no matter what. Please have a clue before responding to something you know nothing about.

            Your excuses for attacking the policies of other countries while praising NZ, Canada, and Australia is the lamest attempt at self righteousness I have ever seen. There are articles all over the internet that anyone can see showing that those three countries have been cherry picking refugees. All of the ones that Canada accepted did not even come from camps. They didn’t even come from Syria. They were working class people that lived in countries around Syria that had apartments and homes. Why the UN labeled them as refugees is beyond anyones guess. Australia has been accused of cherry picking as well. Almost all of the refugees they accepted were Christians from Iraq. Why not muslims oh holy liberal?? No you just want the radicals to come to America but not in your precious Holy lands right? How about NZ who is going out on a limb to cherry pick the brightest and cleanest refugees who haven’t even seen any hard times and at the overwhelming rate of 700 per year. Wow way to go out on a limb NZ!!

            You and all liberals are just phony baloney frauds that love to tear down decent societies and poison them with nasty liberal values. Then you perform like the true hypocrites you are by not even living up to your own professed standards.

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:36 am #

      Thats because liberals are the real intolerant people. They plead for tolerance only for their own values but despise other peoples values and want to oppress anyone that doesn’t think like them. They are the ultimate hypocrites.

      • Glen November 15, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

        @ Dennis. See I believe in gay marriage, equal rights for all, I believe transgender people should use whatever bathroom they want. But the Regressive left like you are equally as toxic and nasty as what you accuse the right of.
        I think you and “Jim” (in the same postthread) are closer to each other than you like to pretend (since I believe the political “left” and “right” is a circle, rather than a spectrum). I do not like Trump, but I understand why a lot of working class voted for him (while some probably holding their nose while doing so).
        Neither political parties (same in Australia and New Zealand and the UK) actually cares about the working class, what with the erosion of social safety nets and privatisation of national services all over the western world supported by both sides of politics. Most political parties (in the Anglophere at least), have abandoned any “leftist” economical policy.

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

      Good luck fitting in here haha.

  34. Katie T November 11, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

    Enjoyed this blog post. My husband and I are visiting NZ in March and wish they would let us stay. We are looking forward to being away from this madness.

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:29 am #

      You have to ask yourself why NZ won’t let you stay. Is it because they hate immigrants or hate Americans? Why is America criticized for wanting to control its border and have lawful immigration but other countries aren’t? Why can’t I just go to New Zealand and sneak in and get amnesty? Hypocritical? I think so!

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

      Good luck!

  35. BES November 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm #

    I read the first couple of paragraphs and had to stop. As a Trump supporter, I am offended by your words and will now stop following you. It’s really too bad that you offend some of your followers, here I thought I was following a travel blog. Please do move to NZ, because America will be better off without you!!

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:26 pm #

      It’s ok, I’m ashamed to have had you as a reader.

      • Jim November 15, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

        He’s probably equally shamed he read your blog. He will probably follow me in unsubscribing. You little libtard should learn to be more politically correct and not inflame your readers. Its amazing a libtard wouldn’t be politically correct. Isn’t that what you people are selling all the time?

  36. Valerie November 11, 2016 at 10:48 pm #

    Liz, think this is the first time I’ve commented in a while.

    As a fellow travel blogger, I approve and appreciate you sharing your opinions on this blog – regardless of what BES says. Travel is inherently political, as most things are. Many Trump supporters would like to think that their votes and daily lives don’t reflect the political climate or their political beliefs, but they DO.

    Travelers, especially those of us who can help open people’s minds to the world and how beautiful it is – with POC, LGBTQ, Muslim, and other “minorities” in it – have a responsibility to do so, each as we see fit.

    Losing a reader who thinks Donald Trump can EVER improve our country is not a bad thing in my opinion. Go you!

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:27 pm #

      That’s what I think too. Thank you!

  37. Katie November 12, 2016 at 7:35 am #

    I’m not thrilled that Trump won. I wasn’t really enthusiastic for Hillary. Honestly, I didn’t vote. It wasn’t that I was apathetic-I just can’t trust the media anymore. There are so many lies and exaggeration, that I don’t trust anyone when it comes to politics. I have heard good arguments from both sides as to why they voted the way they did. In my opinion, neither should have even gotten this far. I understand that for Trump voters, they are tired of politicians and the lies. No one trusts them anymore-doesn’t less than 10 percent of the country distrust Congress? But I also understand that for Hillary voters, there were issues about women, LGBT members, and minorities. The only issue that I take is the fact that Trump and Hillary voters are insulting each other and at each others’ throats. I know kind, intelligent, and caring people who voted for Trump, and the same for Hillary. I think that we need to take a deep breath and accept the results, but be wary. We’ll be okay because we are stronger than who leads us.
    And with all due respect, not voting was not a vote for Trump. Voting third party was not a vote for Trump. We all have a right to select whoever we think is the best candidate. The only thing that was a vote for Trump was a vote for Trump. That’s just how I see it. I just want everyone to be nice to each other and we shouldn’t panic! The world isn’t over! 🙂

    • Katie November 12, 2016 at 9:10 am #

      Let’s all support each other! Even if you’re baffled as to why people voted the way they did, the only thing we can do is just treat each other with kindness as we are ALL AMERICANS! 🙂

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:33 pm #

      Very disappointing. It’s such a privelage to have the right to vote in the US and to waste it. I spend a lot of time in places where democracy doesn’t exist, and it makes me value the privelage so much. You had the opportunity to help keep an American Hitler from the white house and you stood by and did nothing. I hope that comforts you in a few years when our country has imploded.

      • Katie November 15, 2016 at 4:24 am #

        I don’t take for granted that I have the right to vote. Women fought so hard for my right and I am forever grateful for that. And you know what? I don’t care how much you try to shame me, I will never regret not voting in this election. Voting is a choice, and I didn’t want to make the wrong choice. I thought long and hard about it. I don’t like Hillary or what the DNC did to get her in this election-Bernie was cheated and the dishonesty makes me distrust so much of the media and our government. But I could not support Trump for the things he had said. No matter who I voted for, I would have felt sick with guilt. I felt it was best to follow my conscience. And I go to a moderate/conservative university, and I am surrounded by people who voted for Hillary and people who voted for Trump. Both had understandable and reasonable arguments for their side. To be honest though, the votes were reluctant. Living in America, I’ve seen signs that said “Everyone Sucks 2016.”

        • Liz November 15, 2016 at 7:24 pm #

          I’m just so amazed that people can compare Hillary and Trump that they are equally evil. It’s like arguing with a wall.

          • Katie November 16, 2016 at 5:07 am #

            Trust me, if I liked Trump, I would have voted for him. This was the first election I was old enough to vote in but I feel that since I’m not living on my own yet and have trouble with going with what other people tell me to vote for I felt it was best to abstain. And like I said, I did hear reasonable arguments on both sides so I struggled a lot with pressure. Actually, the thing that disturbs me is not necessarily the people who voted for him last week, but the people who supported him in the primaries. He shouldn’t have gotten this far. And no I wouldn’t say they’re equally evil, but Hillary wasn’t the greatest candidate out there either. Having a woman president would have been awesome though.

          • Mark S January 6, 2017 at 1:02 am #

            “I’m just so amazed that people can compare Hillary and Trump that they are equally evil. It’s like arguing with a wall.”

            well, that’s rich, considering you had just finished comparing Trump to Hitler. If you’ll recall, Hitler made himself a dictator through force, violence and intimidation. He invaded, conquered and occupied much of Europe and tried to get all of it. And he was responsible for the genocide of millions of Jews. What has Trump done to come anywhere close to that level of evil, so that he would be an “American Hitler”?

            “Like arguing with a wall”, indeed.

            Also, as to your original post:

            – Trump corrected his comments and he does not think women should be punished for getting an abortion.

            – Trump did not make fun of a man’s disability — that’s an easy one to look up (if your internet is working in NZ). Just google “trump did not mock disabled reporter”. It’s as plain as day.

            – Trump did not say all Mexicans are rapists. Go listen to that speech. Anyone listening with an honest ear can tell he is bemoaning the fact that so many illegal immigrants are here even after committing crimes (and very horrific crimes, and repeat offenders to boot).

            – I don’t think Trump truly wants to, or will attempt to, ban Muslims. Granted, he did indeed say he wanted to, I won’t deny that. I think he speaks carelessly (on purpose) in many ways. here, the general sentiment is, it is foolishly dangerous to bring in unvetted refugees from terrorist hotbeds without conducting even the simplest verification or background checks. Again, you can research the details for yourself, but officials have testified to congress that the vetting process for large numbers of these refugees was to simply ask them if they were terrorists and then take their word for it.

            – I don’t recall any words or actions that would demonstrate that Trump wants to “jail anyone who disagrees with him”.

            – The majority of the violence at Trump rallies was incited by the trespassing protesters, some of whom were paid (“professional”) protesters. The vast majority of post-election violence has been perpetuated by temper-tantrum throwing liberals and anarchists, not Trump supporters.

            – I agree that Trump is a disgusting misogynist. But I also believe that Hillary Clinton is a disgusting human being, too. Bill Clinton sexually assaulted and raped women, and Hillary led the efforts to silence and smear them. She hypocritically declared that every woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted deserves to be heard and deserves to be believed, yet she did all she could to discredit her husband’s multiple accusers over the course of decades. It is a fact that she lied about her email server and the emails on it. Goodness, even Obama lied about that (he claimed he first found out about the private/secret server through media reports, when in fact he had actually sent multiple emails to her private account. He even used a pseudonym to try to hide his actions.). Hillary and Bill have enriched themselves through their foundation. I do not deny the foundation does much good, but it is pretty well documented (via hacked emails) that the Clintons ran a perhaps-not-quite-illegal-but-close pay to play scheme using the foundation and her role as SoS.

            If your only answer is that Hillary is as clean as a whistle and that all accusations against her are just part of a vast right-wing conspiracy, and that this election result was caused by mainly a combination of the “glass ceiling” and racism, then you are by definition a bigot: “intolerant toward those holding different opinions”. If you can’t respect that the direction of this nation’s policies, and adherence to the Constitution via Supreme Court nominees, and/or that many people do indeed see Hillary as at least as evil (in her own ways) as Trump, were key driving factors to most Trump voters, then you are close-minded.

            The left seems to be the one that just can’t deal with people holding different opinions and views from them on a myriad of topics. Liberals with their rioting, their pony-petting cry rooms and safe spaces, their rediscovered hatred for states’ rights and the constitution (electoral college), and their flimsy demands for recounts “just to be sure”, are the ones who seem to have a problem accepting the results of a legitimate democratic elections (Bush 2000, Trump 2016).

            Losing elections is disheartening and scary. But my goodness, have some class. Don’t be such a sore loser. Don’t fool yourselves that this election is “different” or “especially with bad”, because many liberals would still be saying similar things had any other “R” won the election. (Remember how misogynistic Romney supposedly was for simply saying he had “binders full of women”? He was hit for being a woman-hater because of words that didn’t come out right (but also had no malice or meanness behind them) as he explained his proactive efforts to hire women to high positions when he was Governor of MA.). You feel bad. You eel worse than it actually is. Maybe you will see that with time.

            If this was too long and boring, sorry. Politics isn’t as quick as “My candidate lost, yours is evil. Liberal good, conservative bad. I’m ashamed of my nation.”

          • Liz January 6, 2017 at 8:40 am #

            congratulations on spending so much time writing a comment I am not going to read

          • Mark S January 6, 2017 at 10:15 am #

            Congratulations on proving again that liberal thought is shallow and feelings-based. Too much reading making your head hurt? Go get your news from Jon Stewart and Bill Maher. They are funny and they agree with you, and you barely have to think, so they must be right. Remember, Trump bad, Clinton good. Facts be damned.

      • Katie November 15, 2016 at 7:28 am #

        Just so you know Liz, I don’t want you to think I’m a hater, because I’m trying not to be. I truly understand why you feel so upset about Trump. Trust me, I didn’t like him either. I just decided not to vote because I just couldn’t do it. I thought we were screwed either way, really. All I’m trying to say is that I want everyone to get along. I believe that we all must treat everyone with kindness, regardless of who they voted for. My prayer is that Trump won’t be quite as bad as people think he will be!

        • Athena November 16, 2016 at 4:28 am #

          You could have voted for local and state officials though. It’s not just the President/Vice-President that’s on the ticket. So yes, Liz was right in “shaming” you. We are lucky in the US to have the right to vote, and if you don’t use it then frankly it’s appalling.

          • Katie November 16, 2016 at 4:59 am #

            First of all, it’s none of your business as to why someone chooses to vote or not. As for me, I’m only 20 years old, and I go to college in a different state that I’m from so I don’t know as much about what is going on in the state I’m an actual citizen in. I’m still trying to figure things out. I’m learning to grow and figure out what my beliefs are as opposed to just going with what I was raised. I actually have issues with going with what everyone else is telling me instead of following my heart. It was my own personal decision. Just as you have the right to vote, I have the right to choose not to.

          • Mark S January 6, 2017 at 1:09 am #

            Katie, keep being nice. Keep encouraging others to be nice. You have stayed above the fray. Well done. I think 20-year-old Katie was the most mature and kindest poster on this comment board.

            And while I would encourage you to become knowledgeable about your state and local issues and to vote, we all need to remember that voting is a right, not a requirement.

      • Jim November 15, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

        Your response is why you should be one of the people that doesn’t enjoy democracy. You only want it when it works for your biased side. The people voted in a democratic system and you don’t like the person that won. You are against democracy when it doesn’t go your way. Spoiled child.

        • Katie November 15, 2016 at 3:14 pm #

          Okay Jim I think that’s enough.

  38. WanderingKimberley November 12, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

    I am so proud of you for saying what we are all thinking. My heart is sick and sad. I have been beaten up online for my views-lost followers, etc.. I can’t believe how people feel that it is okay, all of a sudden, to be hateful and that only their view is THE view. My dear, I may join you in NZ. I have sheep experience and am sick of how things are here.

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:26 am #

      Thats actually how liberals feel. That their view is the only view. It seems liberals like to bully others but don’t like it when the other side fights back. Your views have been rejected. Live with it.

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:36 pm #

      awesome of course you can!

  39. Lee November 12, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

    I usually don’t comment on blogs but I have to this time. I read blogs to educate myself and to get away from politics and seeing this just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. We vote because we have the privilege to vote according to our conscience. We have the right to vote without fear of being harassed, attacked, or made to feel less than. It called “Get Out the Vote” not Get-Out-the-Vote-the-way-I want-you-too-or-I’m-going-to-hurt-you. For those people who voted for Trump, they saw something hopeful, they heard a change the other half didn’t. Am I happy about the election? No, but as an adult, I deal with it and realize my fight’s not done. I push up my sleeves and I get to work. I don’t complain, and I certainly don’t cry about it and plot my move to another country when things don’t turn out the way I want them to. It called being an adult. It’s called being an American. We’re a scrappy, hardy little breed of people and we don’t give up. We fight. So thanks for your time, thanks for your blog but it’s probably we best if we part, less politics, more travel is what I’m looking for. Thanks again.

    • Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:25 am #

      Hear Hear!!

      • Martha Watson November 13, 2016 at 1:56 am #

        Thank you!

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:36 pm #

      I’m super confused, am I not allowed to share my opinions on my own blog? Is that what you’re telling me?

      • Leah November 16, 2016 at 9:01 am #

        Keep Speaking Up Liz!!

  40. Jim November 13, 2016 at 12:24 am #

    You think America is doomed? Hahaha. You just rattled off many reasons why New Zealand will be unlivable in 20 years. You think the land is disappearing now? And that its expensive to live there now? Just wait to you see what happens to their economy over the next couple decades as well as europe and all the other places you like to travel. The US is positioned to be the best place to live with the best economy for the next 50 years. The rest of the world has collapsing economies while the dollar is getting stronger by the day. Anybody that moves from America abroad will regret it heavily over the next decade. Just wait for it.

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:39 pm #

      And how do you reckon that? We are about to digress about 50 years into the past. Goodbye women’s rights. Goodbye global warming prevention. Goodbye racial equality. Goodbye gun control. I can go on and on.

      • Jim November 15, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

        That response obviously shows why 20 something women shouldn’t even have the right to vote. Study after study has showed depression is increased in women that live in western societies where they have more rights. Don’t you want to be happy? In fact a womans sense of well being is completely link by studies to the amount of so called freedom she has verses how much so called lack of freedom she has. In societies that are old school and women not regarded as equal to men they are happier and the more equal they are regarded the less happy they are. Is happiness the most important thing in the world or is something else you think you will gain more important? Also as far as gun control goes the highest murder rates in the world are in countries where owning a gun is completely illegal. Look at central american countries where you can even own a gun and check their murder rates. America has crime because our laws are not tough enough not because you can own a gun. The people who founded this country founded it on the principle of gun ownership. I am a human being that has the right to own any firearm I want. I can make my own as well. I have the right to tell you not to come into my home uninvited or I shoot you. I have a right to protect myself. No amount of gun laws will ever stop people from getting guns illegal and killing someone. The threat of severe punishment is the only thing that prevents crime. When a gang member shoots someone put him on a stake in town square and set him on fire in front of his family and watch how fast the crime rate goes down. You liberals have the highest crime rates in every city you control. Every city that has had long term liberal governing is a cesspool of crime. Chicago is a perfect example.

        • Liz November 15, 2016 at 7:28 pm #

          “20 something women shouldn’t even have the right to vote?” Sexist and totalitarian in the same sentence!

          • Jim November 16, 2016 at 12:07 am #

            Im just trying to save you from having to take depression medication for the rest of your life thats all. What are you on now Zoloft or Prozac? 🙂

  41. Martha Watson November 13, 2016 at 1:54 am #

    Yes, read a little. Your post is so simplistic and insulting. If you are not interested in this great country and don’t want any part of it’s democracy then please, stay away. So many things were brought to light by this unworthy president and it gives us a chance to fight for what is right and to work on pasts wrongs.

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

      I’m super confused, fight for what is right? Fighting for what exactly? To punish minorities? To hold women back? To deny global warming? To support big business and forget about the little people? All I did was repeat everything Trump said himself. Trump talks so much about making America great again. Changing everything? How? He never says how, he never says what he wants to change, and how exactly America isn’t great right now. He literally has conned everyone who supported him and ran on a campaign of fearmongering.

  42. Anna November 13, 2016 at 9:12 am #

    I am a major Hillary supporter. I canvassed for her on the streets and have been protesting with my fellow disillusioned citizens since the election. The real question is–did *you* vote in this election, Liz? If you did, bravo. If not, you have no right to say ANYTHING about the result. None.

    Either way, it sure is easy to ride on your privilege and comment about our election from another country. If you care so much about these issues, why have you never come back to the U.S. to advocate for the Left and fight for what you believe in? You clearly have the resources to do so, and we could sure use your help. But no–you stay in NZ and whine ENDLESSLY about American politics. It is the very embodiment of impotence, hypocrisy, and cowardice.

    Take notes from Adventurous Kate, who is inspiring in her political activism, and whose social justice posts are always powerful and informed.

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

      Hi Anna, please don’t presume you know how I behaved in this election – ask me before you assume. I voted a month or so ago by absentee for Hillary and shared it on my social networks at the time and shared lots of info about how to vote absentee if you were an expat to others. I’ve also been pretty clear that I moved to New Zealand 4 years ago and it’s my home now. I also donated to her cause as well as to other big charities in the US that are important to me. I have volunteered and canvassed in every election local and national since before I could even vote back in Virginia. My decision to live in New Zealand is mine. I am allowed to live in NZ and “whine endlessly about American politics” just like Americans are allowed to live overseas if they wish. It’s none of your business. Do not call me a coward ever again, and do not compare me to Kate.

    • Jim November 15, 2016 at 1:16 pm #

      Hi Anna, Hillary lost yay!!!!!!!! The crime syndicate of the Clintons is over!!!! No more pay to play. No more banksters filling the Clintons pockets for special laws helping them steal everyones property. No more Trips for Bill to orgy Island in the Bahamas so he can have sex with 15 year old girls. No more payments from the terrorist Saudis. Now Americans can sue those terrorist scum that have been protected by the Clintons and Obama. No more special treatment from the FBI and no more dead bodies everywhere in washington from people opposing the Clintons. No more lies from those filthy subhumans. The Clintons are dead forever!!!

  43. Vanessa November 13, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

    Thanks for posting this!! Following this election, my husband and I decided that we’re going to make our living abroad dream a reality – now we just need to figure out where we want to go! I’ve only researched New Zealand and Australia so far but there are many places that we want to go! I’m in IT security so I’m on the skills shortage list.

    Has the internet gotten any better since you made your first post about moving to NZ? I would hope that it’s gotten at least a little better, but you never know!

    • Liz November 13, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

      It’s shit but definitely better, and my life revolves around the internet here and I make it work

  44. Cara November 14, 2016 at 4:54 am #

    I agree that political outcome was a huge shock for the entire world. If you are young and still looking to explore, New Zealand does sound like the perfect answer. The country has a high wage economy, a free hospital system (unlike the US). The strong social welfare system, an easily accessible stock market for investment, earthquake commission, moderate climate and even one of the countries that gives the greatest money to charity in the whole world.

    • Jim November 15, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

      However their immigration policy is quite discriminatory isn’t it? Why do people have to meet certain qualifications to stay there? Why can’t anyone without a job that needs social welfare go there and live? You libtards want America to accept all those types so why not NZ as well? Hypocrites

    • Liz November 15, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

      xx

  45. Jon November 14, 2016 at 3:25 pm #

    Was doing some research on NZ and found your blog. I’m a native of Los Angeles living in Nashville at the moment. I can’t drive down the street without seeing a Trump supporter. I feel sick inside. I’m not sure what I’m going to do. I’m so disguested with this country.

    I have a company in NZ that wants to talk about a job. I have a question – is there much of a tech industry there?

    • Jim November 15, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

      Jon what are you waiting for? Go now! Bye Bye and good riddance

    • Liz November 15, 2016 at 7:14 pm #

      I dunno….

    • Jennifer November 19, 2016 at 2:40 am #

      Jon – I’ve been lurking around on NZ immigration sites for a few years and from what I’ve seen IT skills are a pretty hot commodity. If you’re really interested look for the skills list on the NZ Immigration site. I think Wellington has a pretty good tech community. I’m taking the easy route into NZ, married a kiwi. 14 years later and we’re finally ready to make the move down from the US.

  46. Kevin Hayes November 15, 2016 at 12:02 am #

    Just finished reading your post. Don’t know where to start. The US doesn’t want to fall into the pithole of socialised medicine. My wife, being European, experienced first hand the enormous deficiency with the social system, not to mention a third of her income goes towards programs that she doesn’t even get to use or that cover next to nothing and require additional coverage.

    You spend a lot of time on your blog describing the extremely controlled immigration policies NZ has. They only want people within a certain age group and certain skills to come to their country. I noticed you conveniently left out NZ’s policies of requiring immigrants to speak English fluently.. Isn’t that awfully racist?

    It just strikes me as hypocritical about how great you say NZ is, yet you bash your own country for trying to implement some control over who immigrates to the US like New Zealand does.

    Seriously, estimated 11 Million people in the US with no visas, not paying taxes, using public services. What would New Zealand do if that happened to them or for that matter any other country on earth?

    My wife is from Germany and we went through the immigration process. She and all our bi-national friends are outraged about the Democrats allowing people who entered the US criminally to be granted citizenship or visas when my wife and our friends had to be screened multiple times (over 60 years after ww2 they’re still worried about Nazis, but apparently screening a Muslim is racist?). Not to mention the fees we had to pay (on a minimum wage job). Yes, as white people we seem to be second class citizens these days.

    My wife sits here shaking her head while reading statements on the outcome of the election on newspapers online and Facebook. She says in a civilized world people read political programs and base their vote on those things, not on the gender or likeable character of a candidate. She also asked me why women would be outraged about “grab them by the pussy”, a distasteful comment by Trump, yet, how do you explain Clinton’s treatment of the women her husband had affairs with back when he was president. Double standards here? Her question, maybe you have an answer?

    Incidentally my wife and I have been traveling throughout Australia and are heading to NZ in a few days (just a visit, not to immigrate).
    The real reason we checked your blog was we were trying to see if you had an update on the earth quake. Apparently you are busy with other matters. Despite our political differences we’d love to get together over a cup of coffee and chat some more of you’re free 🙂 please let us know.

    • Jim November 15, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

      Kevin you will not get any intelligent responses to your message because you are talking to a bunch of liberals. You should know by now how delusional they are and that every thought they have sounds like Utopia but doesn’t have an ice cubes chance in hell of actually working. Thats why every city in America run by liberals is a cesspool of crime. Then they drain the pockets of decent citizens through taxes to fix all their problems. Liberals would never agree to this because they know they need conservatives to keep a society together but just imagine this. We form two separate countries here in America with every conservative on one side and all the liberals on the other. Wouldn’t that be funny? Imagine the roaring economy and monstrous success that the conservative country would be so minimal crime and wealth galore for everyone while in the liberal country there would be complete breakdown of every system and rampant crime. While these liberals are telling us we are racists in Canada and Australia and NZ they have been found to be cherry picking the refugees they are letting in. They don’t come from camps and most are not even from Syria. They are taking people from Iraq and making sure they are Christians and not muslims to protect themselves from radicals while telling the world how great they are for having their refugee policies. Hypocrites

    • Liz November 15, 2016 at 7:20 pm #

      You clearly just skimmed my post only look for points to criticize me on – I did mention the english requirements and how they have recently changed – though I am not sure that I would say that is racist. For example switzerland requires refugees to be able to fit in to their culture. I am not sure how I feel about it. I also never said anything about immigration in the US just that I believe that “banning all muslims” is pretty racist. I don’t think you can compare Hillary’s behavior towards women compared with Trump at all. She’s been campaigning for women’s rights her entire life. This post went several days before the election and I have been in Australia with little internet organizing my own conference and haven’t had any time to update about the earthquake. I probably would have made time to meet because I value debate but except for that “busy with other matters” dig. I will pass on that cup of coffee because you sound like an asshole.

      • Kevin November 15, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

        Asshole? Wow, that’s rude and pretty uncivilized. Thanks for showing your true color 🙁

        As far as women go I’m married to one and love her very much. You find me a nice conservative women with a respectable background running for president and I’ll vote for her in a second.

        As far as the cup of coffee goes just surprised to see a liberal passing up anything free from someone else :p just kidding

        • Kevin November 15, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

          PS Islam is not a race.

        • Jim November 16, 2016 at 12:33 am #

          You see the true colors of a liberal. She acts like she is the greatest person on earth as long as you agree with her hypocritical ideas, however if you find hypocrisy in her statements or challenge her on her false beliefs then immediately she calls you an asshole and dismisses you. Thats liberals to an absolute tee. Hypocrites and intolerant people.

          • Liz November 16, 2016 at 9:19 pm #

            That’s enough Jim. I’m blocking your comments moving forward, you’ve said enough on my page. Feel free to start your own blog with your own opinions.

      • Jim November 16, 2016 at 12:28 am #

        Wait, you said Hillary has been campaigning for womens rights all her life? Can you tell us how she did that? What rights do women have that Hillary can take credit for? Please tell us. I am trying to think of what rights women have that we can attribute to Hillary Clinton and I am not finding any.

        Wait was she showing her support for women by taking millions of dollars in campaign donations from the Saudis? The government that won’t let women drive a car or get an education and is one of the leaders of the world in suppressing women? Just imagine what you liberals would say if Trump was taking donations from the KKK. You would then accuse him of being racist and supporting white supremacy. Since we know that is the case then we must obviously say Hillary is against women rights and supports those who suppress women.

        Also since you incorrectly mentioned the US banning all muslims we can talk about that as well. First off Trump said we would ban all muslims until we could figure out how to properly vet them. He didn’t say forever.

        Now maybe muslims don’t fit into our culture as well so if we won’t let them come in until they convert to Christianity and stop wearing their islamic garb would that be ok? You said Switzerland demands that people fit into their culture to qualify for immigration. Could we please hear you openly criticize Switzerland right now so you are not a hypocrite?

        Its amazing how blatantly liberals act hypocritical and just think its ok. The only reason liberals constantly attack America is because you can without us killing you. Go to a middle eastern country and attack their lack of womens rights and show us how true a champion you are for women rights. Come on go to Iran and complain about women rights. Are you scared? Cant stand up for your convictions? You know they will chop your head off thats why you don’t go there.

        Every country has the right to qualify and discriminate against immigrants without one word from you liberals and yet the US can’t say one word about immigration without hearing a bunch of bs from you know it alls. You are all just hypocrites.

  47. magnumtelesystem November 16, 2016 at 1:42 am #

    Hello,

    Your Post is world best blog,your pics are so awesome you really New Zealand convert into America in this post. hats off

    Thanks For sharing

    • Liz November 16, 2016 at 9:17 pm #

      thanks!

  48. Haley November 16, 2016 at 8:14 am #

    I have been planning on doing an NZ working holiday for the past 6 months (I leave in February!). Now that the election is over I’m more excited than ever to move! I’ll be working a remote position while I’m over there but will be on the prowl for opportunities to stay longer.

    Thanks for another informative and helpful article Liz!

    • Liz November 16, 2016 at 9:16 pm #

      Cheers!

  49. Leah November 16, 2016 at 9:00 am #

    Hi Liz,
    I am in grief, shocked, dismayed and disappointed. I am struggling with whether to stay and fight or leave. NO JUDGEMENT on anyone who makes the right decision for them. I am proud of everyone speaking up about this and facing the criticism. It is a real problem and I am horrified hate speech is becoming normalized. I have been thinking about what I can do with what I have where I am. This is what I came up with:
    https://teespring.com/makeamericatolerant

    Small effort, good cause. Anything tangible feels comforting right now. All proceeds go to planned parenthood.
    Let’s all hang in there together. Keep speaking up!!!

    • Liz November 16, 2016 at 9:16 pm #

      Thanks!

  50. Meg November 18, 2016 at 11:19 am #

    First and foremost, I hope you are OK and not affected by the earthquake!

    Thanks for posting this article. Aside from blogging, I’m an architect and I plan on moving to NZ in a couple of years once I am eligible to transfer my professional license. A few years ago I visited the South Island, and like you, felt right at home.

    I have looked into the visa process in NZ and it totally gives me a headache. The whole catch 22 job situation doesn’t sound promising. Of the expats you know out there what percentage just moved and found work? In your opinion, do you think that’s a realistic option? Is there any service you would recommend getting in contact with to help out with assessing if one could qualify for a Skilled Migrant Visa? I know the one NOT to use :).

    Thanks so much, and who knows? Maybe I’ll see you out there in a few years!

    • Liz November 20, 2016 at 6:57 pm #

      like, all of them. It’s very realistic it just might not be your dream job

    • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 11:34 pm #

      please don’t move here. if you don’t move here it will be fntstic because nzer will get job. it is hard work to get here for a reason, we don’t want you. so sick of being polite to dumb cunt americans who think we like them. nzers to polite

  51. Dhaval November 18, 2016 at 7:57 pm #

    Thanks for this great post.

    • Liz November 20, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

      cheers

  52. Day trips from delhi November 20, 2016 at 12:08 am #

    Superb post…thank you for this strong article…you explore your experience very well.thanks for sharing it………..

    • Liz November 20, 2016 at 6:59 pm #

      cheeers

  53. Genevieve November 20, 2016 at 1:43 am #

    Being an expat right now has been awful. I have to explain over and over again how most people DIDN’T vote for Trump, yet the electoral college did… It’s made me reconsider my plans about returning home anytime soon… Why would I want to return to a country where the leader is one of the worst (and least qualified) people in the world? My rights as a woman are going to be severely cut, the rights of my friends and family members are going to be taken away… basically anybody who isn’t a rich, white, straight male is screwed. Way to go, America. See ya in 4 years when we can reverse this awful decision (if he doesn’t resign or get impeached before then anyway — fingers crossed).

    • Liz November 20, 2016 at 7:00 pm #

      ugh I know, I’m sick of explaining the electoral college too

      • Mark S January 6, 2017 at 1:30 am #

        I love explaining it. I love any chance I get to champion the virtues of our Constitution. Like the House and the Senate, the electoral college is a masterful compromise for states’ rights (big states versus small states). It is also a perfect demonstration of Representative Democracy.

  54. EdwardThirlwall November 21, 2016 at 8:13 pm #

    What an article to read in the aftermath of such devastating news. I should think that a lot of people are seeking to move across the world, anywhere except middle America if anything right? I read as well that the Canadian immigration page crashed when it seemed apparent who was the front runner of the elections too!

  55. kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 3:25 am #

    Liz, please stop it. New Zealanders are having a hard time living in our own country thanks to non new zealanders moving here. Young new zealanders that are leaving uni can not find jobs as overseas firms that own most of nz firms will not hire them due to lack of experiance (eg: don’t want to pay them as they learn) so recruit overseas for people with experiance. You move here and have more money than us because you have our well paying jobs here & your experiance from there then which in turn pushs up our house prices. i hear so many non nzers say how beautiful the south coast in wgtn is then want to build big fuck off houses all over it.you ruin your own countries then come here and say we are lazy then you moan because nz not open 24/7 like overseas so now nzers have to work for shit wages to serve you coffee/whatever on your weekends off as you bang on to us serving you how much you love living in nz cos you can have a weekend/life again. if you keep encouraging people to move here it won’t be wgtn or nz anymore just another city with no nzers in. you only think we like you because we are polite. we actually don’t (sorry). First thing lots of us said when trump (who is not a nz problem) got in was ‘fuck no, now going to have millions more of the bloody feckers moving here again like after bush got in’
    just shut up about NZ please so we can continue to live the lifestyle WE LOVE instead of you.
    and if you have whatever that lets you stay and have a nz passport please realise you never will be a new zealander, you just bought yourself a nz passport.
    remember nz has already been oppressed by the british, we don’t need anymore oppressers.
    Source. Am a New Zealander

    • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 4:29 am #

      ps: if you are an american you do realise the rest of the world has always thought you were mental & voting trump in just confirmed it for us?

    • Liz November 22, 2016 at 5:02 pm #

      I don’t really get your point and I don’t really see how your issue with immigration is my problem. Why don’t you do something to make the rules stricter? Lobby the government to make immigration stricter? All the points I shared were how to enter the country legally based on jobs that have skilled shortages – in case you don’t know what that means, it means that there is a LACK of skilled people in NZ to do the work so they are willing to hire foreigners who DO have those skills. You have some serious issues and are clearly very uninformed if you think it’s foreigners causing these problems here. You need to take a good hard look at the source of employment problems in NZ, but if it makes you feel better to blame me, then by all means, go for it.

      • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 10:59 pm #

        yeah, i do know what u mean, but there is not a lack of nzers to do the work, it is a lack of experianced nzers to do the high paying jobs, the overseas companies that own us will not give unexpericended nzers a job so well paying job goes to non new zealanders, i would love to lobby against but nz always gets sold to to the highest bidder..10 million$$$$$ buy your way in . just fuck off back to usa and leave nz to be nz. stop telling people how to get here, we don’t want you. most nzers hate americans, you are boring n have no sense of humour, just fuck off bck to usa and leave nzers to our own country,plus u don’t get my point cos u dumb american.if u don’t want to be thought of a american sterotype don’t act like dunb american cunt

        • Liz November 23, 2016 at 10:48 am #

          Oh man, I feel so sorry for you.

          • kiwikate November 23, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

            why?
            i thought you loved New Zealanders and New Zealand?
            plus i don’t have buy myself a place here,like you , i am from here.
            i think you tell americans how to get here cos no one wants you here and you are lonely, have you any real nz friends? Bet not cos we usually to polite to tell americans how stupid we think u are and don’t invite you to our homes unless we have to (eg; another american who married nzer to live here).
            BTW ;reading your stupid post about speaking nz and it is EH? not AY plus as an extra lesson so u not so confused scotland says aye which means yes.
            you wouldn’t understand eh?, u to dumb and the bro thing, you are not a maori, you don’t get to use it unless maori call you that first, but as a fun exercise go call a gang member bro in porirua and see what happens.
            BYW no one says ‘man’ anymore unless you white not bright from usa

      • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 11:36 pm #

        you are such a dunb cunt. this is why we hate you

  56. K. Hodges November 22, 2016 at 6:50 pm #

    Kiwi kate should get real & take a long hard look at herself as we all came from somewhere else originally to be come New Zealanders. If she can’t get a decent job or career she likes, then work harder or become more upskilled instead of blaming new immigrants, and I am a 4th generation Kiwi born & raised in this lovely country & welcome any one who is prepared to come here, obey our laws & work hard & make a honest contribution to improving our country & raising a family here. Not all Kiwis are anti new comers so suck it Kiwi Kate.
    A Real Kiwi.

    • kiwikate November 22, 2016 at 11:07 pm #

      k.hodges. i could probably buy n sell u 500x over, have own mortagage free house at the beach, i only have 2 work 20 hrs per week plus eveyone i work with is a non nzer so go fuck yourself plus am 4th blah blah yawn too .
      just watching my beach side house worth go up to 2 million thanks to americans buying here, tough luck if u nzer wanting to buy close to me you riff raff,
      A real rich Kiwi

      • True Kiwi November 23, 2016 at 7:51 pm #

        Kiwi Kate, its a shame you were never taught any manners by your parents (if you knew who they were?? } about how to communicate politely without having to use that word that starts with a C that you seem so fond of using!
        All you are doing is showing to the rest of the world that there are a few ignorant, biased & uncouth kiwis in New Zealand but thankfully you & your type are a very small number.
        Have a happy life in your beach side home & enjoy your so called millions one day, plus working only 20 hrs per week seems like you are on the dole??

    • Liz November 23, 2016 at 10:31 am #

      Thanks 🙂

  57. Dylan November 24, 2016 at 12:32 am #

    I don’t get the hate for this post. It was awesome Liz!

    • Liz November 24, 2016 at 8:51 am #

      thanks!

  58. cabs in agra November 24, 2016 at 12:46 am #

    Great, that is an awesome place and amazing things you shared about that place. it have so many good things to enjoy and natural things are best attraction.

  59. Leah November 24, 2016 at 5:05 am #

    Such a perfect time to come across this article! I’m looking to get out of the U.S. a bit myself after the election.

    • Liz November 24, 2016 at 8:51 am #

      NZ is great!

  60. George November 25, 2016 at 3:35 pm #

    So sad to see you be ashamed to be an American. So ashamed to know that there are people like you.

    • Liz November 26, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

      People like me? Riiiight. You mean people that believe in equality and who are ashamed their country elected a racist, sexist bigot.

  61. Riya Sharma November 25, 2016 at 10:19 pm #

    Amazing things that you are shared,thank you for sharing your view,
    I found this article interesting,there are lots of things to be learn
    Thanks for sharing !

    • Liz November 26, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

      cheers

  62. Dustin November 26, 2016 at 1:37 pm #

    You should add up points in the system. 160 points is essentially impossible to get without a job offer already in NZ. My wife and I are in our mid 30s, both have masters degrees, and I have 10+ years experience in software engineering. We fall 10 points short of 160. Quite literally, the only way to get a skilled migrant visa without a job already (or education in NZ) is to have a PhD in a desired field, 10+ years experience in a shortage area, younger than 40, and a spouse with at least a Masters.

    I have been thinking about relocation for a long time (before the election) but it is really really difficult to move between first world nations.

    • Liz November 26, 2016 at 3:28 pm #

      I mean, I can’t really advise on any of that – have you consulted any immigration advisors here or looked for job offers here?

  63. Meagan Browno November 26, 2016 at 5:00 pm #

    Hi, Liz, I am a big fan of your writing and blog! Every time I learned something new and amazing things from you. Thanks for all good resources and keep it up.

    • Liz November 27, 2016 at 1:54 pm #

      Thank you!

  64. Anthony December 1, 2016 at 1:13 pm #

    Liz:

    I just completed my holiday visa. My 31st birthday is at the end of April. I’m planning my trip just before. Do you think my advanced age will be an issue?

    • Liz December 3, 2016 at 11:28 am #

      I have no idea you have to ask immigration

  65. Lauren December 6, 2016 at 6:42 pm #

    I cried my eyes out. So embarrassing. My job was eliminated in the states (Finance) and I took a severance package. I immediately booked a three week trip to NZ. Just got to wellington and I think I’m in love. And then I stumbled across your blog (actually my boyfriend sent it to me). Definitely tempting to move here – good for you!!

  66. NiKayla Bowen December 15, 2016 at 2:30 pm #

    Ok please please please consider responding. My husband and I are young, fresh out of college and dying to explore a new country. We desire to live elsewhere (from the US) for about a year and have very little aid in understanding different countries’ liveability for a young couple. Might there be any way we could pick your brain on how to choose a place, find small but supporting jobs and survive the experience?

  67. Tanya December 16, 2016 at 1:45 am #

    Hi Liz,

    I was wondering about the hospitality jobs available to Americans. Is it possible to live off that salary? Will I be able to afford groceries and rent and maybe even save a little money or is NZ just way too expensive for that?

    • Liz December 16, 2016 at 5:59 am #

      well everyone else does it here and gets by haha, it’s not cheap.

  68. Laike December 16, 2016 at 2:29 am #

    I was born in New Zealand and haven’t been back since I was 15 months old (23 long years ago!!). I have been following your blog for a year or so now and has been a major source of inspiration to inspire me to take the big step to go back to the motherland. As of 2 days ago I received my NZ passport (BUZZZING!!!! :D) and will be flying out to NZ in April for a one way flight and cannot wait! I just wanted to say BIG thanks for the articles and to ignore the hate on here, keep doing you and you will continue to inspire!

    Best wishes, Laike x

    • Liz December 16, 2016 at 5:59 am #

      omg yay!

  69. Lombok Wander Tour December 18, 2016 at 6:28 pm #

    I always dream to visit New Zealand, at least one time in my life.
    Very happy can visit New Zealand.

  70. Nikki December 27, 2016 at 9:51 pm #

    I just moved to Christchurch about 6 months ago!! (Just in time!). I’m here on an Accredited employer visa and the process, although slightly frustrating, was overall incredibly easy! I had a phone interview with the hospital and 3 weeks later I had my visa approved and was on a flight here! The hospital had a mediator that went back and forth between us and really helped give good info… Which was handy, because the hospital didn’t even know they qualified to sponsor for that visa!

    It’s my first experience living abroad and I love it here! But I don’t have that “coming home” feeling that you talk about. Maybe it will develop over the next year and a half.

    • Liz December 28, 2016 at 11:25 am #

      watch out for it 😉

  71. CJ Cregg December 29, 2016 at 8:42 am #

    I just want to say that I really appreciate your writing on this blog and (as you’re clearly well aware) you have EVERY RIGHT to voice a political opinion here. How could we possibly pretend that travel and work abroad is external to politics? I honestly don’t understand the pro-Trump commenters who want to move abroad, especially to NZ…do they not realize they hold views that would be considered crazy fringe almost anywhere else?

    I’d been considering a move to NZ even before the election, as my boyfriend is at the mercy of the American skilled worker visa lottery later this year and the odds aren’t in his favor. For young people with decent experience and skills (one from a non-Western country), the NZ immigration options seem pretty unparalleled. (One small-but-significant twist…Id probably be bringing my dog with me, as he’s a little ball of anxiety that I wouldn’t trust with anyone else, and apparently the rental market does not look kindly at that). Who knows, maybe we’ll be able to come and even meet you someday!

    • Liz December 29, 2016 at 11:56 am #

      Good luck and keep me posted!

  72. warren buffett January 3, 2017 at 10:10 pm #

    I totally needed this. Researching jobs in New Zealand right now as my husband is getting ready to finish university!

    • Liz January 4, 2017 at 5:03 am #

      Cool!

  73. Maile January 6, 2017 at 12:31 am #

    Liz, thanks for the great NZ info! As a fellow, very disappointed American, I have started to research moving abroad. NZ has been on my radar for many years. I am a nurse, and am wondering if you know any nurses who have moved there recently, and if so what companies or visas they went through. Wellington looks like a great place! Thanks!

    • Liz January 6, 2017 at 8:45 am #

      I don’t!

      • Mark January 8, 2017 at 10:48 am #

        Yes go ahead pls MOVE out from US we don’t need weak, pathetic, ignorant ppl here who need “safe-spaces” You have been brain washed by fake media like cnn, fox, abc etc for too long

        start to listen this instead so you might get a grip what is really going on?

        http://globalresearch.org/

        https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkDice

        • Liz January 9, 2017 at 1:23 pm #

          “ignorant people who need safe spaces?” do you even hear how cruel you sound?

  74. Megan Johnson January 8, 2017 at 3:50 am #

    Great post!! I am about to move to NZ on a work/holiday VISA but I am currently looking for places to live. Do you have any advice on websites that would be useful for finding a place to stay?
    Thanks 🙂

    • Liz January 9, 2017 at 1:21 pm #

      trademe!

  75. Mark January 8, 2017 at 11:14 am #

    Liz, do you need a safe-spaces too? What is wrong with today’s generation? I had lived through 1960s, 70s, 80s, and they were the best times when family was a priority and husband could work one job and this was way enough for family of 5 and beautiful wife would love to be with children teaching them manners, and enjoying their lives.

    Now it started in 1990s when Silly sexual wolf-Billy Clinton took office, and slowly , husband and wife needed to work to support family. Bush destroyed more so did Obama and now you have Americans; husband&wife working 2 jobs and there is still not enough.

    Now Even worst, majority of whites in US are single (unhappy) don’t have families (fake CNN etc media kept telling them for all last 2 decades “you need to fulfill you desires, travel, enjoy your self (EGO) like you Lisa, and don’t have families)

    All news like cnn, abc, nbc, bbc,etc are FAKE news. THey are owned by 2 or 3 Luciferians and the mind-brainwashing continues.

    Don’t you know if Mr D Trump would not get elected we would have a war world 3 soon with Russia? That’s what evil wants it, evil hates humanity. Russia and Mr Putin are the only country helping Syrian Christians, Catholics and other innocent ppl there. Don’t you know who created isis and other terror groups? Well, you don’t know because the FAKE media would never tell you this? Just like been almost 60 years of ass. of kenedys and truth still being hidden from us.

    Since our last good president Jimmy Carter, every other president has been on payroll of devil. Yes Lucifer is real but his time is short and he knows it.

    Let me give you advise, which soon you will thank me for it.
    Go and open you new testament bible, go to St John Revelation ( at the end) and read Chapter 12 to Chapter 13
    This is where we are right now. We are living in pre-Tribulation times. Our God is Trinity: Holy Father, The Holy only Son Christ and HolySpirit are trying to help us ( the ones who have love, peace and Christ inside) by putting DT as our new president so more people can wake up from this Matrix of Satans world, and choose love and HolySpirit with Christ instead of me me me ego.

    Once D TRump finish his terms or term, you will see some other evil like HRC taking power and getting US into more wars but they will be nuclear. Then the FAKE peace maker will materialize as fake Messiah telling every1 he is god and to take mark of his. Look up on utube Tribulation times, Rapture times etc. You need to wake up so you can be “Raptured” out of here coz it will be the worst time for humanity that never seen like that.

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